Regional pay should at least be 40,000 to compensate for the high cost of entry and inflation.

 

Hm... I'm faced with a dilemma. My father is a captain on the 757/767 now, spent more than plenty of time, money, and life getting to where he is, was a flight instructor for years making peanuts, flew for a commuter making peanuts, flew charter and corporate, getting laid off from each one after only a brief run, and has faced several near-misses on furloughs and has taken a fair share of pay cuts.

When I asked him if he was in my position if he would start a career in aviation all over again, he said absolutely. He did warn me of the negatives, but he said that he has enjoyed going to work every day of his 30+ year career as a pilot, and hasn't regretted any of it.

And now you, perfect stranger, come along and tell me I'm ruining my life.

You're right. I quit.

Thank you for saving me, SkyHigh, you're a true sumaritan.

 

Yeah, the pay does suck. You can live (college-style) on first year pay while single. Family is a different issue completely. Not great, but something you must take into account with our industry.

 

Yeah, what he said.......

 

If it isn't denial than what is it? I am personally outraged by what this industry has sank to.

Most others from my generation are shocked by the current state of the industry as well. According to Les Abend my generation of pilots are "on furlough, moved on to corporate or have left the industry"

Just last week I had lunch with a major airline buddy who can't imagine why anyone would even consider taking flight lessons with the current career expectations. What kind of logic does it take to blow a small fortune on a fantasy that is the profession today?

The new generation of pilots are calmly accepting the current conditions and thereby permanently setting the bar lower. It isn't flame bat it is sort of a wake up call and an attempt to understand what must go through the mind of new pilots today.

SkyHigh

 

You can not expect to have the same career outcome as your father. Those days are gone forever. Today airlines are handing out RJ's like candy to kids who couldn't even get a job handling baggage 5 years ago. The pay however is the same.

If your goal is to simply fly a jet then your dreams will come true. However if your dreams include a family, decent QOL and a well funded retirement then think again.

Skyhigh

 

With all due respect deUps, that is not flamebait at all. He is simply stating what he believes, as are you. From your quals, you are definetly beyond this generation of new pilots, which I am and most here are a part of. While you make six figures, most of us try to figure out a way to pay for a six dollar meal. Skyhigh is a need and necessary commodity in this forum, and while I dont always agree with his viewpoint, I do agree with his message. He is not a flamebaiter because I dont think he really gives a s### about what any of us think, he is offering an opinion about what he thinks the industry is about, and to tell you the truth I dont think most of us regional drivers could realistically disagree, by the way isnt that what APC is all about? Skyhigh you paint a bleek picture at times, but from me at least "Big Ups" I refrain from the kool aid.

 

I am not the only one on this forum who shares these ideas. I am not the only one in aviation either, read the article in Flying Magazine "The 225-Hour Airline Pilot" then ask yourself where you think the future is headed.

Barry Shiff also has a titled "The Glory Days Are Over"


Skyhigh

 

The glory days are over
BY BARRY SCHIFF (From AOPA Pilot, June 2006.)

Barry Schiff retired from TWA in 1998 after a 34-year
career with the airline.

I have been agonizing over the topic of this column
for a few years, not knowing if I should publicly air
my personal thoughts. Not to do so, I finally
concluded, would be intellectually dishonest. So at
the risk of attracting flak, here goes.

I was hired as a pilot by Trans World Airlines in
1964. This was during the glamour years that began
after World War II. Airline salaries were rising,
working conditions improved with every contract
renewal, and airline pilots earned approval and
respect from every quarter. On international flights,
airline pilots were treated like royalty.

No one working for Pan American World Airways or TWA
during this period could possibly have anticipated the
demise of their airlines. These were cultural icons of
the twentieth century. At one time, TWA's logo was the
second most recognizable in the world (Coca-Cola's was
the first).

The death knell for this era sounded on October 24,
1978, when President Jimmy Carter signed the Airline
Deregulation Act. The merits and demerits of
deregulation aside, the long-term result for pilots
was etched in stone. There would be an erosion of
wages, working conditions, pensions, and job security.

Things got worse after the terrorist attacks of 9/11.
Because of the need for additional security, airline
pilots are locked in their cockpits behind bulletproof
doors and suffer the indignity of coordinating trips
to the lavatory with flight attendants.

The glory years are gone.

I could not have been prouder when my son Brian was
hired by TWA in 1989. Although conditions had declined
since the airlines were deregulated, being an airline
pilot was still a great job. He upgraded to captain on
the Boeing 727 11 years later. Although thrilled to be
in the left seat of a jetliner for a major carrier, he
worked harder and earned a smaller salary than I did
many years previously.

TWA was assimilated by American Airlines in 2001.
During the next two years Brian went from left seat to
right seat to the street. He had been furloughed and
eventually found a job flying Learjets for a Part 135
operator. He now flies as captain of a Canadair
Regional Jet for a commuter carrier.

Like thousands of others who have been furloughed from
the majors, he has no idea when he will be recalled.
Considering that American is reducing its need for
pilots by contractual increases in pilot productivity
and outsourcing many of its shorter, thinner routes to
commuter carriers, it could be many years before Brian
again sees an American Airlines' flight deck. Another
of my sons, Paul, began to satisfy his desire to
become an airline pilot in 2000 when he was hired by
Trans States Airline, a company that operated
TWExpress, US Airways Express, and AmericanConnection.
Paul bounced between all three and discovered after
9/11 that he was not making headway in accruing
seniority.

After four domicile changes, he opted to leave Trans
States and obtain a more promising position with
United Express. He worked there for three years,
during which he had as many changes in domicile, and
discovered that the most he had earned after six years
as a commuter pilot was less than $30,000 per year. He
again foresaw little potential for a career like I had
and with great mental anguish opted to change
professions.

Paul recently started a pet-supply company, gets to
spend every night in his own bed, and has an
opportunity to develop a social life. As an airline
pilot gone from home 21 days a month, he had little
opportunity to meet someone with whom he might like to
share a future. When he did meet someone, he had
neither the time nor the money for dating.

Paul says, "It is relatively easy to get a job with a
commuter carrier, but not because these carriers are
losing pilots to the majors; they are not. The
attrition rate at the regional level is high because
so many pilots reach their limits of endurance and
quit. They find it too difficult to live on starvation
wages [especially those with families]. There usually
was nothing left in my wallet after shelling out for
commuting and crash-pad expenses."

Although these are anecdotal experiences, my frank and
personal discussions with numerous other airline
pilots corroborate my feelings about the state of the
airline industry. I can no longer encourage aspiring
airline pilots without first ensuring that they
understand the treacherous and daunting journeys
typically required to reach for such lofty goals.

Do not misunderstand. Coping with the challenges of
weather, communing with nature in a way that only
pilots can appreciate, and maneuvering a sophisticated
aircraft from one place on Earth to another remains a
stimulating and gratifying endeavor (although I think
it was more fun with less automation). It is the price
one must pay to get there that is so discouraging.

I frequently am asked for advice about becoming an
airline pilot. The best advice I can offer those
determined to endure the rigorous hardships often
required is to simultaneously develop a sideline
vocation that can be used in case of emergency. A
pilot should never get into a position that is totally
dependent on income from an airline.

Does the end justify the means? Does becoming a
captain for a major airline justify all that must be
endured to get there? Perhaps, but surviving long
enough to get there is the problem.

 

Yes I do paint a bleak picture at times but who 10 years ago could have predicted the current state of the industry? Who could have guessed that there would be 225 hour regional airline pilots flying RJ's as their first assignment? The idea would have been considered preposterous. Lets all hope that my estimations of the future are off.

Thank you for your support. I believe in everything that I write.

Skyhigh