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Old 05-08-2010 | 12:59 PM
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I find it amazing that so little people know about Comair's history, who JC Lawson is, etc. Do people still do research before going to work for a company? I guess the "being owned by DL means everything" marketing tactic worked on most people.
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Old 05-08-2010 | 01:13 PM
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Ol' JC's 58th Bday is in 3 days. I just wanted to wish him a happy birthday.




















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Old 05-08-2010 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by NoStep
Sorry to have put you in a bad mood, LowLevel.
After some thought, if this guy J.C. Lawson and his group at the MEC had been better diplomats, they wouldn't have taken the attitude of shoot-for-the moon because we've got 400 DAL drivers by the short & curlies.
Inextricably linking 1 issue to their demands was pointless.

If they had just said something like, "We sympathize with our ALPA brothers/sisters at Delta, and will make every possible effort to ensure ComAir gives preferential hiring to displaced DAL pilots. We welcome the wealth of knowledge they bring...etc." --THEN-- go to the Delta MEC and say, "now let's talk about this SCOPE, blah, blah..."

Hell, the MEC doesn't decide who gets hired, so make the company shoulder being the bad guy by demanding seniority resignations, or training contracts, etc.

BTW, your thoughts about SLI's and what happens if a wholly owned gets sold are right on! Which is why flow-through agreements are the only way to go...unless you're a lifer Capt. at ComAir when they flow-back...guess who runs ComAir ALPA?
It's ok, not your fault that it put me in a bad mood (not that bad anyway). Besides, a 12 pack in the hotel fridge, and lunch, is making it "all better"

Just the other day found out: To hold a line as a CVG CRJ captain= 22 years. CRJ700/900= around 18 years! And DS is complaining that our operating costs are too high mainly because of pilot pay. I say, if you are on reserve after 21 years, you deserve more than your pay! You deserve a medal!
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Old 05-08-2010 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Lowlevel
To hold a line as a CVG CRJ captain= 22 years. CRJ700/900= around 18 years!
I'm going to have to call BS on that!
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Old 05-08-2010 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Spoilers
I find it amazing that so little people know about Comair's history, who JC Lawson is, etc. Do people still do research before going to work for a company? I guess the "being owned by DL means everything" marketing tactic worked on most people.
Who cares about insignificant people?

"Being owned by DL" was actually one of the negatives when I researched OH. I have never looked at DAL as a place I wanted to work anyway. I guess a lot of guys come here wanting that, but not me. My list of top places I would like to work (fly) is probably much different than many of the pilots here. But hey, I wish everyone luck getting their "dream job". Really, given the choice, I'd rather just have money and not work at all!

People forget, especially the career regional guys, that you are supposed to look at any regional as a place to work, until you can move on. A few years....then move on (unless this is your "dream job").
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Old 05-08-2010 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Spoilers
I'm going to have to call BS on that!
Not sure, just what I heard..from a 14 1/2 year CVG CRJ700/900 captain...on reserve.
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Old 05-08-2010 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Lowlevel
Just the other day found out: To hold a line as a CVG CRJ captain= 22 years.
Originally Posted by Spoilers
I'm going to have to call BS on that!
Lowest 50 CVG Captain awarded a line this month = #6133, DOH 3/25/91.

So Comair has 20 year 50-seat Captains on reserve. 22 years is almost correct.
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Old 05-08-2010 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Spoilers
I find it amazing that so little people know about Comair's history, who JC Lawson is, etc. Do people still do research before going to work for a company? I guess the "being owned by DL means everything" marketing tactic worked on most people.
Not sure why you find it so amazing. I can honestly say I have better things to do than study airline history, read JC Lawson's biography and give a sh** about a company's marketing tactic. To be perfectly honest I chose Comair because their pay in the beginning was not bad and higher than the others, relatively speaking. I also had friends there.
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Old 05-08-2010 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Lowlevel
Who cares about insignificant people?

"Being owned by DL" was actually one of the negatives when I researched OH. I have never looked at DAL as a place I wanted to work anyway. I guess a lot of guys come here wanting that, but not me. My list of top places I would like to work (fly) is probably much different than many of the pilots here. But hey, I wish everyone luck getting their "dream job". Really, given the choice, I'd rather just have money and not work at all!

People forget, especially the career regional guys, that you are supposed to look at any regional as a place to work, until you can move on. A few years....then move on (unless this is your "dream job").
Very well said...
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Old 05-08-2010 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by NoStep
Sorry to have put you in a bad mood, LowLevel.
After some thought, if this guy J.C. Lawson and his group at the MEC had been better diplomats, they wouldn't have taken the attitude of shoot-for-the moon because we've got 400 DAL drivers by the short & curlies.
Inextricably linking 1 issue to their demands was pointless.

If they had just said something like, "We sympathize with our ALPA brothers/sisters at Delta, and will make every possible effort to ensure ComAir gives preferential hiring to displaced DAL pilots. We welcome the wealth of knowledge they bring...etc." --THEN-- go to the Delta MEC and say, "now let's talk about this SCOPE, blah, blah..."

Hell, the MEC doesn't decide who gets hired, so make the company shoulder being the bad guy by demanding seniority resignations, or training contracts, etc.

BTW, your thoughts about SLI's and what happens if a wholly owned gets sold are right on! Which is why flow-through agreements are the only way to go...unless you're a lifer Capt. at ComAir when they flow-back...guess who runs ComAir ALPA?
J.C. Basically built an Army of guys under him that he knew would serve as his puppet line. He knew full well that he would be able to see each one of them shot down before he would lose his seat.
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