Understood. And no, I'm not looking for the truth on this board. I was obviously not in the meetings personally, but I'm also not gleaning my facts through third hand information about something that happened years before my time. These are the things that went down during my, and ~1300 of my colleagues personal hell.

No, I don't think that OH did what they did because Lawson said so. Of course not. They had a policy in place because, at that time, among regional carriers, they were a heavy hitter. Maybe THE heavy hitter. When 9-11 hit the fan they had a choice. Play nice, or play hardball. They went hardball. Fine.

The problem came when OH's union volleyed their opinion. They chose to back management. It's not just the seniority resignation issue, read the whole letter. Lawson wanted more and bigger RJ's for OH in exchange. WHO does ths benefit? You know the answer.

After that, DAL guys (probably unfairly) expected nothing less than a mass revolt of Lawson's line guys. That didn't happen. Add to that, the seniority-grab lawsuit, and I don't think it unrealistic to think that the average DAL guy might have a bad taste in his mouth for the average OH guy.

(my iPad seems to not like multi-quote so I'll finish in my quote of Evil)

 

Evil, believe who you think is most credible. I'm not trying to persuade you. Like I said, I'm not basing my opinion on events that happened years before my time, I was directly involved. But you don't know my from Adam, so I don't expect you do take what I say as the gospel either.

It was your initial comment about the way things went down that got me riled up.

So let me put it this way:

Hypothetically, OH shuts down. You get shown the door. You go looking for work. Everybody in the country says "hey, apply to us, we'll look at you", except SkyWest. They say sure, but anything you have in your 401k you forfeit. (I'm sure there's plenty wrong with this analogy, but you get my point, as giving up a OH seniority number wouldn't mean much at ths point they're gone)

So you're kinda ****ed at Skywest, whether you applied there or not. Now, years later somebody comes along and says, "well sure, those guys should've donated ther 401k money, that's only right".

That's basically what the OH fo said to me, and kinda what I took your initial post to mean. Maybe I misread.

At any rate, I've sad it before, I'll say it again. At DAL usually cooler heads prevail. I'd be happy to have the good OH guys over here if you want to come.

Boomer comes to mind, he's a must have.
Yourself, working things out instead of insisting on being right no matter what, and captainv...rational, sharp....seems like a good guy.

If you know staylow, tell him "don't bother."

p.s., as to dismantling an efficient revenue stream, is that really the case? Or should I say, the MOST efficient. If they can find cheaper labor elsewhere? I feel your frustration. You'd think you might get rewarded for being a loyal underling for many years, but that's just not how it works. To fix this thing, regionals, I'm sorry to say, have to get killed off. All that flying, down to the smallest a/c needs to be under one umbrella. Might not be realistic, but that's how I vote.

 

I don't think I misjudge you at all. You're picking a fight where there isn't one.

I've always been a commuter as well. I have also never denied a Jumpseat. I have been denied one over an issue that had absolutely nothing to do with me personally on a CAL DC-9. Have you?

Also, you're barking up the wrong tree preaching to me about the 1900. That's where I cut my teeth. Both seats. Over 3000 hrs.

I've never given any jumpseater any grief over any issue. I've been given static on 2 occasions. Those I related.

So you've called me a liar. Said I was talking b*lls*it, said I started "thread after thread trying to add insult to injury", and that I was bashing your fellow pilots. Care to back any of that up? Because at least 2 of your guys and I are enjoying a rational debate and exchange of opinions, including the guy that spurred me to post in the first place.....or are they idiots just like me?

 

I forgot this captainv, it may well have been more personal given some logistical history.

Way back when, OH had an MCO base. DAL did too, and a fairly big one.

So OH goes on strike. Many, like myself supported that action, and as we lived there, suited up, drove over, and walked the line with those guys. I'm here to tell you, it was quite a few.

Fast forward to the post 9-11 events, and we furlogh. Then all the Lawson etc... BS goes down.

Who were the guys most affected? MCO was the junior base. Who walked the OH picket line? So you can see how logistics set up to make it a more poignant issue.

Yes you're right, many came over with "trash can" resignation letter agreements. We didn't have that. Not a gamble I would have taken.

 

Delta management decided to not let Delta pilots go to Comair without giving up their number.. Delta could have MADE Comair the puppet airline take the guys. So it was Delta's fault.

 

I don't agree, but assuming you are correct, should the ComAir MEC have supported or disagreed publicly with management's decision? Even if it had no bearing on the outcome.

(and also asked for more and larger RJ's as part of that agreement and then sued for relative seniority integration).

The problem was/is not with the managements of the airlines, it was with the ComAir MEC's actions relative to that. Capice?

 

Well said sir. At the present I'm pretty much over that situation. I don't think one side or the other is 100% "guilty" of what happened back then. Anyhow, right now a bit more concerned with Comair's future (or lack of). I'd love to go back but understand the mechanics of business. You did bring up one excellent point, in this industry loyalty means squat!.
Btw, you in MCO?. I live in d-town.

 

This is what I heard you say...

 

The RJDC didn't drive anything though, they sued ALPA national (not DALPA as many seem to think) for DFR. It was not controlled by the jokers on the Comair MEC. It was ran by a self aggrandizing fool, who loved to tell people how smart he was.

I think what they did was stupid and wasn't there when it started but lets at least get things factually correct.

 

Oh it's hangin okay! Just sweating my butt off down here in ATL! It's a whole different world here at Delta! I miss Comair sometimes and the tight nit work groups we had. Just been making sure the aircraft stay on the schedule and out of the hangar!