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08-05-2012 | 11:04 PM
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Brave woman.... I non rev everywhere. Also stayed for free on Marriott points for the honey moon. So in regards to what everyone's saying buyouts keep them furloughs still on furlough receiving them lose them. Where is this agreement posted? I'd really rather not spend $1500 on tickets when I can nonrev. I don't have a full time job so no pressure to get there or get back in a certain amount of time. Thanks all
08-06-2012 | 04:22 AM
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Blurted out same words to Mosquito yesterday. My dissapoinment is with ALPA national. Our MEC did the best they could and for that I thank them. Where was national during all of this?. Where was the solidarity from the DL MEC to allow us some leverage?. Anyhow, it's done and over with. Time to move on.
08-06-2012 | 08:16 AM
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They have a choice on how the money was split up. Nothing about leverage for the 20 or so they left out, I think I read 20 million is being paid in the severance package. They chose not to include the 20 or so guys that were just furloughed a few months ago. I think that's BS, and the MEC at comair dropped the ball for those guys. I understand not paying out the guys that have been out for several years since 2008, but a group just hit the street, how can you not count them?
08-06-2012 | 08:24 AM
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Hmmm, let's compare apples to apples, shall we.
Some former OH MEC dude WRITES a memorandum with no force other than his wholehearted desire to make DAL pilots resign their DAL numbers if they want a job. 1. the OH pilots have no bearing whatsoever in this WRITING of a MEMORANDUM, 2. if this ever came to fruition, at least a job could have been had (resigning your seniority is your own choice), 3. you could still have fed your family
So now, DAL pilots VOTE (all of them) to get rid of planes that effectively and affirmatively puts OH pilot out of jobs. Yep, that's right, some upper muchy-muck didn't WRITE A SIMPLE MEMORANDUM, DAL VOTED this in (knowing full well the ramifications on the regionals, and OH in particular).
Give me another load of crap about how this is good for the flying industry. THis was good for DAL pilot's wallets and that is it, period. Removing regional flying ONLY helps the DAL guys, wow, they're getting more planes and get new hires to move up the ladder.
All the while, 800+ OH pilots are out of work, permanently with OH, not just a furlough, I note, with no chance of being recalled, no chance of having THE OPTION of giving up a seniority number, nothing, nada. DAL pilots are just as much responsible for putting OH guys out of work as DAL mgmt is.
Yeah, it's business, but let's stop tip-toeing around the underlying issue.
Some former OH MEC dude WRITES a memorandum with no force other than his wholehearted desire to make DAL pilots resign their DAL numbers if they want a job. 1. the OH pilots have no bearing whatsoever in this WRITING of a MEMORANDUM, 2. if this ever came to fruition, at least a job could have been had (resigning your seniority is your own choice), 3. you could still have fed your family
So now, DAL pilots VOTE (all of them) to get rid of planes that effectively and affirmatively puts OH pilot out of jobs. Yep, that's right, some upper muchy-muck didn't WRITE A SIMPLE MEMORANDUM, DAL VOTED this in (knowing full well the ramifications on the regionals, and OH in particular).
Give me another load of crap about how this is good for the flying industry. THis was good for DAL pilot's wallets and that is it, period. Removing regional flying ONLY helps the DAL guys, wow, they're getting more planes and get new hires to move up the ladder.
All the while, 800+ OH pilots are out of work, permanently with OH, not just a furlough, I note, with no chance of being recalled, no chance of having THE OPTION of giving up a seniority number, nothing, nada. DAL pilots are just as much responsible for putting OH guys out of work as DAL mgmt is.
Yeah, it's business, but let's stop tip-toeing around the underlying issue.
08-06-2012 | 08:26 AM
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I agree with you. I may be good to move some of this flying back to mainline, but only if there's a place for the regional pilots to go. Right now there are hardly any better jobs out there, and who the hell wants to make a lateral move to another regional airline only too have the snot kicked out of them in a year or two. Looking at Delta's profits the last two quarters it seems that this is purely greed and lack of respect and or compassion for others. Many good people are adveresly affected by this knee jerk move to shut Comair down. I nearly puke every time I hear Richard Anderson's welcoming message when he talks about honesty and integrity. This totally blows for all at comair, and I wish you the best. The sad thing is, after they're done with you, who's next? Thanks Delta, and thanks Delta pilots. To say you can't help what management does, and that it's only business is a cop out. Enough of you voted for this contract in favor of selling out fellow pilots
08-06-2012 | 09:07 AM
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They have a choice on how the money was split up. Nothing about leverage for the 20 or so they left out, I think I read 20 million is being paid in the severance package. They chose not to include the 20 or so guys that were just furloughed a few months ago. I think that's BS, and the MEC at comair dropped the ball for those guys. I understand not paying out the guys that have been out for several years since 2008, but a group just hit the street, how can you not count them?
If negotiations were easy, then it wouldn't take years to negotiate a contract.
Do you know for a fact that they "chose" not to include recently furloughed pilots? If so, please PM me the proof because I'd love to see it. Often times, pilots on furlough are not negotiable from management's standpoint. They often get shafted in any negotiating process. It could very well be that the company (read: Delta management) refused to include furloughed pilots. Some things they just will not budge on unfortunately. So if you would like to blame someone, blame Delta management. They're the ones shutting Comair down, not the MEC.
08-06-2012 | 09:23 AM
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So you're saying Comair pilots have control over what's going on at Comair then, right? Comair being shut down stinks. I know pilots there, and they're scrambling to find ways to continue to feed their families. I had a conversation with a 17 year Comair guy on my commute home last week. I'm sympathetic to all that will be effected by this. But to point the finger at DAL pilots and place blame on us is misdirected anger.
08-06-2012 | 09:34 AM
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Nope, I stand by my post. Enough of you voted for your new contract knowing full well Repercussions regional level. And now you say it stinks for Comair. Management dangles a big carrot in front of your face in the form of raises and more airplanes, and suddenly it's ok to screw over fellow pilots. Then you say, it wasn't us, it was management. If enough of you guys cared provisions could have been put into your contract that would have helped the entire industry, not just Delta pilots. And don't give me that crap that moving the flying back to mainline is good for everyone. While it may be in the long run, this is a terrible time to put people on the street. Why not wait until Delta is actually hiring before doing this to Comair?
08-06-2012 | 09:42 AM
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Nope, I stand by my post. Enough of you voted for your new contract knowing full well Repercussions regional level. And now you say it stinks for Comair. Management dangles a big carrot in front of your face in the form of raises and more airplanes, and suddenly it's ok to screw over fellow pilots. Then you say, it wasn't us, it was management. If enough of you guys cared provisions could have been put into your contract that would have helped the entire industry, not just Delta pilots. And don't give me that crap that moving the flying back to mainline is good for everyone. While it may be in the long run, this is a terrible time to put people on the street. Why not wait until Delta is actually hiring before doing this to Comair?
Be honest with yourself. My bet is you do. Quite the conundrum, isn't it?
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