Originally Posted by meesq

Hmmm, let's compare apples to apples, shall we.

Some former OH MEC dude WRITES a memorandum with no force other than his wholehearted desire to make DAL pilots resign their DAL numbers if they want a job. 1. the OH pilots have no bearing whatsoever in this WRITING of a MEMORANDUM, 2. if this ever came to fruition, at least a job could have been had (resigning your seniority is your own choice), 3. you could still have fed your family

So now, DAL pilots VOTE (all of them) to get rid of planes that effectively and affirmatively puts OH pilot out of jobs. Yep, that's right, some upper muchy-muck didn't WRITE A SIMPLE MEMORANDUM, DAL VOTED this in (knowing full well the ramifications on the regionals, and OH in particular).

Give me another load of crap about how this is good for the flying industry. THis was good for DAL pilot's wallets and that is it, period. Removing regional flying ONLY helps the DAL guys, wow, they're getting more planes and get new hires to move up the ladder.

All the while, 800+ OH pilots are out of work, permanently with OH, not just a furlough, I note, with no chance of being recalled, no chance of having THE OPTION of giving up a seniority number, nothing, nada. DAL pilots are just as much responsible for putting OH guys out of work as DAL mgmt is.

Yeah, it's business, but let's stop tip-toeing around the underlying issue.

Originally Posted by gojo

I agree with you. I may be good to move some of this flying back to mainline, but only if there's a place for the regional pilots to go. Right now there are hardly any better jobs out there, and who the hell wants to make a lateral move to another regional airline only too have the snot kicked out of them in a year or two. Looking at Delta's profits the last two quarters it seems that this is purely greed and lack of respect and or compassion for others. Many good people are adveresly affected by this knee jerk move to shut Comair down. I nearly puke every time I hear Richard Anderson's welcoming message when he talks about honesty and integrity. This totally blows for all at comair, and I wish you the best. The sad thing is, after they're done with you, who's next? Thanks Delta, and thanks Delta pilots. To say you can't help what management does, and that it's only business is a cop out. Enough of you voted for this contract in favor of selling out fellow pilots

Originally Posted by tjflyboy

They have a choice on how the money was split up. Nothing about leverage for the 20 or so they left out, I think I read 20 million is being paid in the severance package. They chose not to include the 20 or so guys that were just furloughed a few months ago. I think that's BS, and the MEC at comair dropped the ball for those guys. I understand not paying out the guys that have been out for several years since 2008, but a group just hit the street, how can you not count them?

Originally Posted by johnso29

So you're saying Comair pilots have control over what's going on at Comair then, right? Comair being shut down stinks. I know pilots there, and they're scrambling to find ways to continue to feed their families. I had a conversation with a 17 year Comair guy on my commute home last week. I'm sympathetic to all that will be effected by this. But to point the finger at DAL pilots and place blame on us is misdirected anger.

Originally Posted by gojo

Nope, I stand by my post. Enough of you voted for your new contract knowing full well Repercussions regional level. And now you say it stinks for Comair. Management dangles a big carrot in front of your face in the form of raises and more airplanes, and suddenly it's ok to screw over fellow pilots. Then you say, it wasn't us, it was management. If enough of you guys cared provisions could have been put into your contract that would have helped the entire industry, not just Delta pilots. And don't give me that crap that moving the flying back to mainline is good for everyone. While it may be in the long run, this is a terrible time to put people on the street. Why not wait until Delta is actually hiring before doing this to Comair?

Originally Posted by gojo

Nope, I stand by my post. Enough of you voted for your new contract knowing full well Repercussions regional level. And now you say it stinks for Comair. Management dangles a big carrot in front of your face in the form of raises and more airplanes, and suddenly it's ok to screw over fellow pilots. Then you say, it wasn't us, it was management. If enough of you guys cared provisions could have been put into your contract that would have helped the entire industry, not just Delta pilots. And don't give me that crap that moving the flying back to mainline is good for everyone. While it may be in the long run, this is a terrible time to put people on the street. Why not wait until Delta is actually hiring before doing this to Comair?

Originally Posted by N2Core

I don't work for DAL, but one of the provisions I would've like to have seen would've been ensuring that these new 76 seat aircraft go to ALPA represented carriers. This was a huge fumble on their parts. The overall job creating at mainline was a plot to get the pilots to vote yes. And while I believe that jobs should be at mainline, the damage done to hard working regional pilots who want to have a future at a mainline carrier were hosed in the process. Unless you want to go to slumdog carrier.

Originally Posted by gojo

Nope, I stand by my post. Enough of you voted for your new contract knowing full well Repercussions regional level. And now you say it stinks for Comair. Management dangles a big carrot in front of your face in the form of raises and more airplanes, and suddenly it's ok to screw over fellow pilots. Then you say, it wasn't us, it was management. If enough of you guys cared provisions could have been put into your contract that would have helped the entire industry, not just Delta pilots. And don't give me that crap that moving the flying back to mainline is good for everyone. While it may be in the long run, this is a terrible time to put people on the street. Why not wait until Delta is actually hiring before doing this to Comair?

Originally Posted by Terantious

So the only hard working regional pilots are the ones at ALPA carriers? And how were you hosed in the process by DAL not ensuring the 76 seat acft go to ALPA represented carriers. Fumble? I think not!!