Terantious

I agree with you that ALPA should protect as many jobs as possible. I am not a big fan of them myselves either. They didn`t protect my job back in the day, left me wondering why the hell i was paying dues in the first place.

N2Core

I just think that we as a pilot group have a large amount of power. It's a very critical time. The DAL pilots voted yes on this contract because the overall majority liked it. Not my dog, but I didn't. The majority of pilots at mainline carriers are very old and senior. It doesn't take management long to realize that they can exploit that fact knowing that most of these guys won't be around in the next 5-10 years. Not a conspiracy-theorist, but there is much more going on behind the scenes than we are aware of. And it is not good for us as an industry. I would've surely voted no.

captainv

That's a nice sentiment, but in reality DAL management wants the lift done as cheap as possible. IMO, only way they'd have agreed is if DAL pilots gave something up to make it worth their while. If you were a DAL pilot, what would you give away?

Kinda like how ultra-cheap Comair management wouldn't have waived its policy (again, IMO) for the furloughed Delta pilots unless Comair pilots gave something in return.

Johnso, won't the Compass/Mesaba flows satisfy the 35% DCI pilot requirement?

johnso29

I'm fairly certain Compass flow ups can only make up a max of 20% of the yearly hiring.

dc10guy

So before the vote all of the regional pilots where saying bring back mainline flying. Delta pilots did. Now you are ****ed that they did and shrinking dCi. Who's contract did they vote on? There own.

meesq

You know what I would do, bury my head in the sand and say, oh well, it's good for the industry.

Oh wait, that's what DAL did.

johnso29

I see. Well if you feel eliminating 1300 outsourced DCI jobs, further tightening Alaska codeshare flying, tightening Codeshare/Joint Venture flying, maintaining max allowable outsourced seats at 76, reducing allowable outsourced turboprop flying, and establishing a min DCI to Mainline block hour ratio preventing DCI growth while Mainline shrinks is considered bad for the career then you should probably reevaluate whose head is buried in the sand.

blackembpilot

fishdude is really the scum of the pilot ranks. You guys that think like him should be glad a real business person is not running these Air Lines. If the Air Lines were run by true moneymakers, they would merge all list and keep the regional models in place to provide all domestic flying. International flying would be done by the larger aircraft on property, and cost would be reduced even further. Lets go even one step further, lets give the wholly owned regional everything from 737 and A321 down, furlough all of the rest of the unnecessary mainline pilots or even better yet start the entire airline over again under the regional contract from 777 or A380 going down. What are we wasting money for. Think about this one. Dont think for a moment that UAL, CAL, AAL, management are not thinking about the future. Remember, "IT NOT PERSONAL, ITS JUST BUSINESS"

evilboy

You and Tjflyboy made me question a few things and do some very simple and basic math. I am one of those less than 30 (can't really remember the exact number now) furloughed on April 03rd. The letter specifically says "those on property AFTER Apil 01st", which basically leaves us out of it. The formula is this: 11 weeks, at 18.46 hours per week, that's severance pay. Now let's say it is 30 furloughs and the average hourly rate was 37.20 (believe highest was 38.11 and lowest was 36.25 or so), then:

(11x18.46x37.20x30)=226614.96 (btw it's $7553.83 p/furlough)
226614.96/20,000,000=0.01133 or 1.133 % of the 20 mil.

Now, I was told by various sources DL did not want to include us in the package. Knowing that in the formula set in the LOA, our severance came to 1.133 percent of the total amount, I just don't know who to believe. Did the MEC really ask, or did DL really didn;t want to spend another 200k after throwing a bone at 20 mil?.
We were there until April 03rd and most would have come back if recalled. It is unthinkable to me mighty DL would think that 200k was a deal breaker, as it is unfathomable to me that our MEC would leave us out for a mere 1.13 percent of the total.
$7500 (+/-) would have made a huge difference to some of us (specially the ones with no jobs at this time), and because I can't wrap my head around this, it is best I let it go. But it truly hurts either way....done with this.

Flybye

It is hard to believe that Delta wouldnt give anything to the furloughs after they included all furloughs in the buyouts earlier this year. They paid out about $5000 for each furlough who took the buyout and still included travel benefits. But now your saying Delta wouldn't negotiate on that? I wonder if the MEC wanted to exclude the furloughs to get the maximum payout for the rest. Not accusing just questioning.