BlueMoon

May you never do something regrettable and ever try to ask for forgiveness.

8hourrule

Darn!!! I was so hoping to be stuck in a cockpit with you for the next few decades. I will let you get back to trimming your mustache. Too bad all the stress that Comair has caused you over the last 12 years has turned it gray way before its time.

meesq

Hmmm, let's compare apples to apples, shall we.

Some former OH MEC dude WRITES a memorandum with no force other than his wholehearted desire to make DAL pilots resign their DAL numbers if they want a job. 1. the OH pilots have no bearing whatsoever in this WRITING of a MEMORANDUM, 2. if this ever came to fruition, at least a job could have been had (resigning your seniority is your own choice), 3. you could still have fed your family

So now, DAL pilots VOTE (all of them) to get rid of planes that effectively and affirmatively puts OH pilot out of jobs. Yep, that's right, some upper muchy-muck didn't WRITE A SIMPLE MEMORANDUM, DAL VOTED this in (knowing full well the ramifications on the regionals, and OH in particular).

Give me another load of crap about how this is good for the flying industry. THis was good for DAL pilot's wallets and that is it, period. Removing regional flying ONLY helps the DAL guys, wow, they're getting more planes and get new hires to move up the ladder.

All the while, 800+ OH pilots are out of work, permanently with OH, not just a furlough, I note, with no chance of being recalled, no chance of having THE OPTION of giving up a seniority number, nothing, nada. DAL pilots are just as much responsible for putting OH guys out of work as DAL mgmt is.

Yeah, it's business, but let's stop tip-toeing around the underlying issue.

The Chow

Nice 1st post. Are you related to Trailblazer?

But congratulations sir/ma'am. You have finally gotten the last pound of flesh. Hip hip hoarah!

Be cautious with your jubelance. Being the typeof person to carry a grudge for a decade and then dance on someone's grave usually leads to ulcers and other medical problems. I wish you well. Hopefully you can move on now.

Sincerely,

The Chow

ShyGuy

Wait a minute, how can you allege that Delta pilots knew their TA would put Comair out of business permanently? There's no way. Comair could have existed as a 44 aircraft operation. Delta pilots finally limited scope, allowed 70 more bigger RJs, BUT, require the parking of 225 CRJ-200s, to be replaced DIRECTLY with B717s flown by mainline Delta! Everyone talks about mainline should take the flying back, and now they are. What did you think was gonna happen? Of course regionals will be hurt. Some will disappear. Others will cut big time. Some might make it out okay, like Skywest so far. But the bottom line is, mainline delta will be taking the equivalent of 225 CRJ flying back to mainline in the form of 88 B717s. The industry is moving in the right direction, which is mainline take back their flying. It sucks for the regional crowd, becaus someone has to fall on the sword. The shift of flying from regionals back to mainline is good for everyone, except regional lifers. Everyone's mileage will vary.

gojo

I agree with you. I may be good to move some of this flying back to mainline, but only if there's a place for the regional pilots to go. Right now there are hardly any better jobs out there, and who the hell wants to make a lateral move to another regional airline only too have the snot kicked out of them in a year or two. Looking at Delta's profits the last two quarters it seems that this is purely greed and lack of respect and or compassion for others. Many good people are adveresly affected by this knee jerk move to shut Comair down. I nearly puke every time I hear Richard Anderson's welcoming message when he talks about honesty and integrity. This totally blows for all at comair, and I wish you the best. The sad thing is, after they're done with you, who's next? Thanks Delta, and thanks Delta pilots. To say you can't help what management does, and that it's only business is a cop out. Enough of you voted for this contract in favor of selling out fellow pilots

ShyGuy

So it's okay for mainline to take back flying, but not ok if they don't take the regional pilots too?

There's a misconception that someone owes a pilot something for a long career at a regional, but unfortunately, no one owes a pilot anything for a long regional career. The stagnation in the industry has pulled the regional model into a more expensive operation. Regionals were suppose to be cheap feed, with low costs, and low longevity. Even the likes of Comair were once a PFT-type crap wage operation. Today, airlines like Comair and Pinnacle have priced themselves out when in comparison to a new comer like GoJets and Compass. 10 years from now, the cycle will repeat when GoJets becomes expensive and a new regional comes in to replace the flying in a cheaper fashion. It's nothing personal, just business.

meesq

No, you know what he is saying? He's saying that pilots are supposed to be in this together, especially union-affiliated pilots. The fact that they sold out some of their brethren for their own wallets, well, that is what is distasteful.

Yeah, they may not have known it would be OH, but really, how could they not, but in any event, it was going to be someone's job on the line. Someone who makes a heck of a lot less than they do and still has to put a roof over their heads and put food on the table for their families.

You'll see talk about labor and management on these threads all the time. But in this case, DAL labor went along with management in this particular case. There could easily have been some sort of *basic* provisions put in to help those who are losing their jobs.

ShyGuy

They voted it out in the first place, at their own expense - unknownst to them at the time. Now they are simply taking it back. Regional pilots didn't give anything to mainline pilots, and the Comair letter just drove a stake through future hiring at Delta.

Seek employment on your own... ALPA won't do **** for you. A couple of national fat cats make out well, and it's a useless association.

surfnski

What letter?