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08-06-2012 | 09:43 AM
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I don't work for DAL, but one of the provisions I would've like to have seen would've been ensuring that these new 76 seat aircraft go to ALPA represented carriers. This was a huge fumble on their parts. The overall job creating at mainline was a plot to get the pilots to vote yes. And while I believe that jobs should be at mainline, the damage done to hard working regional pilots who want to have a future at a mainline carrier were hosed in the process. Unless you want to go to slumdog carrier.
08-06-2012 | 09:52 AM
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Nope, I stand by my post. Enough of you voted for your new contract knowing full well Repercussions regional level. And now you say it stinks for Comair. Management dangles a big carrot in front of your face in the form of raises and more airplanes, and suddenly it's ok to screw over fellow pilots. Then you say, it wasn't us, it was management. If enough of you guys cared provisions could have been put into your contract that would have helped the entire industry, not just Delta pilots. And don't give me that crap that moving the flying back to mainline is good for everyone. While it may be in the long run, this is a terrible time to put people on the street. Why not wait until Delta is actually hiring before doing this to Comair?
And once again, Delta pilots did NOTHING to Comair. The contract allows for accelerated retirement of 50 seat aircraft. How many 50 seat aircraft was Comair scheduled to have BEFORE openers were exchanged? 16 CRJ100/200's is the answer. 44 total airplanes. The writing was already on the wall. If it wasn't a shut down, it would've been a sale. For all we knew, Delta would send more 76 seaters to Comair. The reality of the situation is the Delta pilot's contract had little effect on the fate of Comair.
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08-06-2012 | 10:15 AM
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You need to learn how to read. I never said that ALPA represented pilots work harder than those who aren't. ALPA represented carrier pilots do however pay money to the amazing machine. While I don't really care for ALPA, the least they can do is protect as many jobs as possible. How was I hosed? I haven't been yet... But I will be. Rest assured good buddy.
08-06-2012 | 10:24 AM
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You need to learn how to read. I never said that ALPA represented pilots work harder than those who aren't. ALPA represented carrier pilots do however pay money to the amazing machine. While I don't really care for ALPA, the least they can do is protect as many jobs as possible. How was I hosed? I haven't been yet... But I will be. Rest assured good buddy.
08-06-2012 | 10:34 AM
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I just think that we as a pilot group have a large amount of power. It's a very critical time. The DAL pilots voted yes on this contract because the overall majority liked it. Not my dog, but I didn't. The majority of pilots at mainline carriers are very old and senior. It doesn't take management long to realize that they can exploit that fact knowing that most of these guys won't be around in the next 5-10 years. Not a conspiracy-theorist, but there is much more going on behind the scenes than we are aware of. And it is not good for us as an industry. I would've surely voted no.
08-06-2012 | 11:20 AM
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Kinda like how ultra-cheap Comair management wouldn't have waived its policy (again, IMO) for the furloughed Delta pilots unless Comair pilots gave something in return.
Johnso, won't the Compass/Mesaba flows satisfy the 35% DCI pilot requirement?
08-06-2012 | 11:54 AM
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That's a nice sentiment, but in reality DAL management wants the lift done as cheap as possible. IMO, only way they'd have agreed is if DAL pilots gave something up to make it worth their while. If you were a DAL pilot, what would you give away?
Kinda like how ultra-cheap Comair management wouldn't have waived its policy (again, IMO) for the furloughed Delta pilots unless Comair pilots gave something in return.
Johnso, won't the Compass/Mesaba flows satisfy the 35% DCI pilot requirement?
Kinda like how ultra-cheap Comair management wouldn't have waived its policy (again, IMO) for the furloughed Delta pilots unless Comair pilots gave something in return.
Johnso, won't the Compass/Mesaba flows satisfy the 35% DCI pilot requirement?
08-06-2012 | 12:06 PM
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Nope, I stand by my post. Enough of you voted for your new contract knowing full well Repercussions regional level. And now you say it stinks for Comair. Management dangles a big carrot in front of your face in the form of raises and more airplanes, and suddenly it's ok to screw over fellow pilots. Then you say, it wasn't us, it was management. If enough of you guys cared provisions could have been put into your contract that would have helped the entire industry, not just Delta pilots. And don't give me that crap that moving the flying back to mainline is good for everyone. While it may be in the long run, this is a terrible time to put people on the street. Why not wait until Delta is actually hiring before doing this to Comair?
So before the vote all of the regional pilots where saying bring back mainline flying. Delta pilots did. Now you are ****ed that they did and shrinking dCi. Who's contract did they vote on? There own.
08-06-2012 | 12:14 PM
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Here is a hypothetical situation. I know Delta scope wont allow it, but let us assume it does. Delta comes to Comair and offers the 717s and MD-80s to the Comair pilots. Do you vote yes for it knowing full well that it will enhance your career and will result in hundreds if not thousands of Delta pilot furloughs?
Be honest with yourself. My bet is you do. Quite the conundrum, isn't it?
Be honest with yourself. My bet is you do. Quite the conundrum, isn't it?
Oh wait, that's what DAL did.
08-06-2012 | 02:30 PM
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I see. Well if you feel eliminating 1300 outsourced DCI jobs, further tightening Alaska codeshare flying, tightening Codeshare/Joint Venture flying, maintaining max allowable outsourced seats at 76, reducing allowable outsourced turboprop flying, and establishing a min DCI to Mainline block hour ratio preventing DCI growth while Mainline shrinks is considered bad for the career then you should probably reevaluate whose head is buried in the sand.
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