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03-22-2010, 05:45 PM
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What about bypass rights for involuntary? Some of us have taken jobs requiring contracts. I've mentioned this to our union on several occasions and little has been said or clarified on the issue. I signed a contract with an employer after Comair furloughed me. If I can't say "how high" when Comair says jump, do I get fired? I've got eight months left on my current contract. Comair furloughed me forcing me to take employment elsewhere. Now Comair recalls me but I can't go because I signed a contract to put food on my table, now Comair terminates me because I can't return immediately. Might get interesting. Wonder what the legal ramifications could be...
03-22-2010, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NoStep
By my calculations, this 22 will leave 297 on furlough. Only about 260 more to get to me.
"So you're saying there's a chance...wooohh!!"
"So you're saying there's a chance...wooohh!!"
awesome...
03-22-2010, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 4runner
What about bypass rights for involuntary? Some of us have taken jobs requiring contracts. I've mentioned this to our union on several occasions and little has been said or clarified on the issue. I signed a contract with an employer after Comair furloughed me. If I can't say "how high" when Comair says jump, do I get fired? I've got eight months left on my current contract. Comair furloughed me forcing me to take employment elsewhere. Now Comair recalls me but I can't go because I signed a contract to put food on my table, now Comair terminates me because I can't return immediately. Might get interesting. Wonder what the legal ramifications could be...
Legal ramifications?
You're joking right?
You have as good of a chance of winning a lawsuit because you bypass and are terminated as I do of ever getting recalled.
03-23-2010, 03:52 AM
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I'm serious! I'm an airline pilot. My pay, QOL of life etc is affected by seniority. I was laid off and found a job which I had to sign a contract to achieve. Now Comair calls me back and I have to break a contract to go to Comair. What? Was I not supposed to work and just wait for Comair to hopefully recall me? Now they say they need me and I say wait 8 months. I asked for a voluntary before an involuntary but the JFK chief at the time says no, that cost me one job. Now come back and break a contract or don't come back and get fired thus possibly costing me 35 years of pay at the profession I have chosen. Comair laid me off and now they might fire me because I won't break a contract. I'd be really interested to see how the left wing state of NY and a sneaky Manhattan law firm would handle this. I'm not sure what the laws are but it sounds like I/we might have a case. I'll start sniffing around the issue as I'm really interested in if the law is on our side on this. Remember when the company tried to take our pilot shop balance out of our paycheck? Someone in the KY gov. got that straightened out right quick. Too bad our management is so mean spirited as to deliberately try and screw us. Way to motivate the team guys. And hey ALPA, a little help here...I've already written you guys once on this last year, no response. The only person that even speaks to us furloughed guys is Perrizo. BTW, thanks for everything you've done for us Mike, all of us appreciate your help. Seriously, man. Thanks.
03-23-2010, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 4runner
I'm serious! I'm an airline pilot. My pay, QOL of life etc is affected by seniority. I was laid off and found a job which I had to sign a contract to achieve. Now Comair calls me back and I have to break a contract to go to Comair. What? Was I not supposed to work and just wait for Comair to hopefully recall me? Now they say they need me and I say wait 8 months. I asked for a voluntary before an involuntary but the JFK chief at the time says no, that cost me one job. Now come back and break a contract or don't come back and get fired thus possibly costing me 35 years of pay at the profession I have chosen. Comair laid me off and now they might fire me because I won't break a contract. I'd be really interested to see how the left wing state of NY and a sneaky Manhattan law firm would handle this. I'm not sure what the laws are but it sounds like I/we might have a case. I'll start sniffing around the issue as I'm really interested in if the law is on our side on this. Remember when the company tried to take our pilot shop balance out of our paycheck? Someone in the KY gov. got that straightened out right quick. Too bad our management is so mean spirited as to deliberately try and screw us. Way to motivate the team guys. And hey ALPA, a little help here...I've already written you guys once on this last year, no response. The only person that even speaks to us furloughed guys is Perrizo. BTW, thanks for everything you've done for us Mike, all of us appreciate your help. Seriously, man. Thanks.
Comair didn't force you to sign a contract with a new company, that was your choice.
03-23-2010, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 4runner
I'm serious! I'm an airline pilot. My pay, QOL of life etc is affected by seniority. I was laid off and found a job which I had to sign a contract to achieve. Now Comair calls me back and I have to break a contract to go to Comair. What? Was I not supposed to work and just wait for Comair to hopefully recall me? Now they say they need me and I say wait 8 months. I asked for a voluntary before an involuntary but the JFK chief at the time says no, that cost me one job. Now come back and break a contract or don't come back and get fired thus possibly costing me 35 years of pay at the profession I have chosen. Comair laid me off and now they might fire me because I won't break a contract. I'd be really interested to see how the left wing state of NY and a sneaky Manhattan law firm would handle this. I'm not sure what the laws are but it sounds like I/we might have a case. I'll start sniffing around the issue as I'm really interested in if the law is on our side on this. Remember when the company tried to take our pilot shop balance out of our paycheck? Someone in the KY gov. got that straightened out right quick. Too bad our management is so mean spirited as to deliberately try and screw us. Way to motivate the team guys. And hey ALPA, a little help here...I've already written you guys once on this last year, no response. The only person that even speaks to us furloughed guys is Perrizo. BTW, thanks for everything you've done for us Mike, all of us appreciate your help. Seriously, man. Thanks.
How far down the furlough list are you?
03-23-2010, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 4runner
I'm serious! I'm an airline pilot. My pay, QOL of life etc is affected by seniority. I was laid off and found a job which I had to sign a contract to achieve. Now Comair calls me back and I have to break a contract to go to Comair. What? Was I not supposed to work and just wait for Comair to hopefully recall me? Now they say they need me and I say wait 8 months. I asked for a voluntary before an involuntary but the JFK chief at the time says no, that cost me one job. Now come back and break a contract or don't come back and get fired thus possibly costing me 35 years of pay at the profession I have chosen. Comair laid me off and now they might fire me because I won't break a contract. I'd be really interested to see how the left wing state of NY and a sneaky Manhattan law firm would handle this. I'm not sure what the laws are but it sounds like I/we might have a case. I'll start sniffing around the issue as I'm really interested in if the law is on our side on this. Remember when the company tried to take our pilot shop balance out of our paycheck? Someone in the KY gov. got that straightened out right quick. Too bad our management is so mean spirited as to deliberately try and screw us. Way to motivate the team guys. And hey ALPA, a little help here...I've already written you guys once on this last year, no response. The only person that even speaks to us furloughed guys is Perrizo. BTW, thanks for everything you've done for us Mike, all of us appreciate your help. Seriously, man. Thanks.
4Runner, let me give my piece of mind.
First of all, I'm reluctant to give "legal" advice to anyone who's only had 3 posts in here. Please don't take it personally.
Second, the furlough section in the contract is very specific.
Third and last, anything -again anything- is this country is debatable, litigable, and never set on stone, specially if you have on your side the "left wing state of NY and a sneaky Manhattan law firm". Just remember this, Comair/Delta can afford a much, much "sneakier Manhattan law firm" than you ever will.
Hope this helps and have a good day.
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