TurboDog

Most companies hire people as "at will" employees, meaning that the employee is free to leave whenever they wish.

I don't think it will fly. Morally right.....no, but then is anything at an airline morally right?

davispm1

Don't get me wrong though,,, companies should treat people good and have a positive atmosphere and actually want the employee to produce for them, why managers think that the scare tactic works is out dated and does nothing but pi$$ people off... but still we are at the company for the company and that is anywhere you go, since I got furloughed I am doing computer work and its the same thing here...

B317

Actually Turbo, you've got it backwards. "At Will" means a Company can discharge an employee for any or no reason. A union contract gives an employee the right to fight their discharge through the grievance and arbitration process. As a free people we are able to leave anytime we want.

4runner rolled the dice by signing an employment contract (which was very understandable) effectively betting he would not be called back before it expired. I understand 4runners frustration, but he has to take responsibility for his own actions.

mwa1

man oh man - you guys are really beat down when the furloughees defend the company.

Spoilers

Not sure what kind of contract you are on, but if it is a training contract with another airline or company for flight training, I wouldn't worry about it too much, they usually don't hold up in court anyway and most companies won't even come after you.

Also, if you have a current job that pays more and has a decent QOL, I would consider staying instead of going back to Comair on reserve in JFK.

andy171773

has 4 runner actually BEEN recalled? Or is it speculation on what he'll do IF that letter comes?

Boomer

If 4Runner gets a Comair recall he should take it, then go back and finish the remainder of his contract at the other job when he gets furloughed again in the fall.

Rule #1 is never talk about Fight Club.

Rule #2 is Delta never lets Comair have good news for more than 4 months.

Jeffdh17

Word......O.K. let me explain what's going on with this. I too have made many many many mentions of this issue with the union. Unfortunately I keep getting the samed "canned" answer.

The union at Comair only works on issues that affect senior pilots. Look at the reserve contract. It magically got attention when it affected those high enough in senority due to the furloughing of pilots. Honestly, how many email updates did we get regarding the long call window call in process once senior pilots began to be affected by it. It was an issue the entire time I was on reserve at Comair, but got little to no attention.

I'd imagine approaching management to get an idea of what's really going on, is the best way to get proper information about this. The union is worried about things like whether Capt. Oldpants is going to have to interrupt his early evening dinner at Luby's to call in for the Long Call Window or if a computer software system is to their liking (EMaestro) rather than on important stuff like jobs.

Ask yourself this. When part time lines or reduced line values were offered to mitigate job losses, did anyone ask you (furloughees) how you felt about that? A handful of people made the decision for you. Those people are not looking out for you. They are looking out for themselves.

colead3

Sorry to be off topic.. Just to give you all an idea how screwed up the industry is right now!

I'm a furloughed ASA pilot.. got a job with Comair in customer service while furloughed, was promoted to performance lead, we became regional elite, and now just found out I am probably loosing job #2 through being laid off from regional elite possibly pulling out of our station.

I really hope this all turns around soon! Sorry just venting!

NoStep

Yep! That sounds about right.
And no need to apologize...bummer you're getting f'd agan.

You're a real airline pilot when you have at least 2 uniforms from (usually) defunct former airlines in your closet.