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Old 10-08-2008 | 05:32 PM
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Has the Captain given the order to abandon ship yet?

Working the bilge pumps is getting tiring.
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Old 10-08-2008 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboDog
Just my opinion, but I wouldn't do it if any of you can find something else to do until this smooths over, or until something happens. There is too much talk out there about merging Comair with Mesaba for anyone to jump right now. Let's say you have 6 months here at Comair and you now leave to get on at Mesaba. If Comair is merged with them, you would then be even further down the list in a date of hire merging of seniority lists. Think about it.... Mesaba(NW) and Comair(Delta) Why would they give Comair pilots priority on hiring. I see it as a way to keep some costs down for yet another year once they do merge the regionals. They get you on first year pay again. my 2 cents
Originally Posted by TurboDog
Did everyone see the memo from ALPA about withdrawing from the ASAP program at Comair? Not good! While everything is slowly going away at Comair, this is a safety issue. The leadership at this company is definitely failing in my opinion. They are now pinching away at safety. We all need to be extra alert and aware of everything that we are doing. Not saying that we aren't always careful, but you may just find yourself on the street following a missed radio call with the current state of the FAA and Comair.

I nearly puked today when I saw nearly 40 airplanes parked in CVG today with pink stickers in the windows(not sure what the stickers mean.) Now giving priority hiring at Mesaba to our furloughs? This place is coming apart at the seems.

"Don't let go Jack!"
If someone wants to go to Mesaba or Compass I think it will be a good move. You will be off reserve faster and probably be Captain before TurboDog will even get awarded upgrade at this place. Northwest has invested way too much into XJ and CZ. Personally, I don't think there will be a merger between XJ and OH. They might create a holding company called Delta Connection, but each carrier will continue to operate separate. That would make the most sense. Anything is better than this place right now, that's for damn sure! If I would still be on 1st year pay, I would definitely look into CZ or XJ right now.
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Old 10-08-2008 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJDriver
If someone wants to go to Mesaba or Compass I think it will be a good move. You will be off reserve faster and probably be Captain before TurboDog will even get awarded upgrade at this place. Northwest has invested way too much into XJ and CZ. Personally, I don't think there will be a merger between XJ and OH. They might create a holding company called Delta Connection, but each carrier will continue to operate separate. That would make the most sense. Anything is better than this place right now, that's for damn sure! If I would still be on 1st year pay, I would definitely look into CZ or XJ right now.
What happens when Mesaba furloughs and these guys go from having near 1 year seniority for a call back to 0 years and end up furloughed for longer. These guys can make there own decisions as this is just my opinion. Look at the guys that all left Comair to go to Air Wisconsin during the last furloughs. They haven't upgraded yet and are now a year behind their counterparts that stayed at Comair.
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Old 10-08-2008 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboDog
What happens when Mesaba furloughs and these guys go from having near 1 year seniority for a call back to 0 years and end up furloughed for longer. These guys can make there own decisions as this is just my opinion. Look at the guys that all left Comair to go to Air Wisconsin during the last furloughs. They haven't upgraded yet and are now a year behind their counterparts that stayed at Comair.
I agree, i think the only guys that should be jumping over are guys that
1.) can have an easier commute with Mesaba
2.) JUST got hired

If you've been here anywhere NEAR a year, it's not worth it to leave in my opinion, unless you have a sugar momma that'll help you through training and 1st year pay again.
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Old 10-08-2008 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by flyandive
It's in our email box, it was announced on the 6th. We are supposed to fill out the online app then email a certain someone in the HR department. Has anyone that did this heard back yet?
The email came from Mike Perrizio the Comair furlough chairman. The email was to a specific MEC rep at XJ. I sent him the email a few days ago and haven't heard anything back yet.

Personally, I would take a class at Mesaba. Like some people already talked about with people losing senoirity it really is a wash effect for me. I was in the 6/16 class (2nd to last), its no change and it makes for a easier trip to visit the g/f as Delta closed the station where she lives.
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Old 10-09-2008 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by TurboDog
Did everyone see the memo from ALPA about withdrawing from the ASAP program at Comair? Not good! While everything is slowly going away at Comair, this is a safety issue. The leadership at this company is definitely failing in my opinion. They are now pinching away at safety. We all need to be extra alert and aware of everything that we are doing. Not saying that we aren't always careful, but you may just find yourself on the street following a missed radio call with the current state of the FAA and Comair.

I nearly puked today when I saw nearly 40 airplanes parked in CVG today with pink stickers in the windows(not sure what the stickers mean.) Now giving priority hiring at Mesaba to our furloughs? This place is coming apart at the seems.

"Don't let go Jack!"
So why does the union think that bailing on the ASAP program is good for pilots or in our bet interest? If the company does not honor the agreement, then let's get dirty with the company, not the pilots. Our union is great a some things and terrible at others. One of the things that I always admired about the union was the safety committee. Now, even though the committee is still alive and well, one of our (the pilots) greatest safety resources is gone. Is it gone forever? First the no confidence vote for DS and now this! What's next?
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Old 10-09-2008 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by lancermf
So why does the union think that bailing on the ASAP program is good for pilots or in our bet interest? If the company does not honor the agreement, then let's get dirty with the company, not the pilots. Our union is great a some things and terrible at others. One of the things that I always admired about the union was the safety committee. Now, even though the committee is still alive and well, one of our (the pilots) greatest safety resources is gone. Is it gone forever? First the no confidence vote for DS and now this! What's next?
To protect us from possible disciplinary action resulting from our submission of ASAP reports (self incrimination).

I think it is a good idea.
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Old 10-09-2008 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon
To protect us from possible disciplinary action resulting from our submission of ASAP reports (self incrimination).

I think it is a good idea.
While I understand your point, isn't there something they can do against (for lack of a better term) the company. I would understand if there were multiple cases of this happening. Was there any dialog between the company and the union regarding this case?
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Old 10-09-2008 | 07:30 AM
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A contract is a legally binding agreement between two parties. If the company is not living up to it's end of the contract, then why doesn't ALPA, or employees take the company to court? Only seems fair right?
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Old 10-09-2008 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TurboDog
A contract is a legally binding agreement between two parties. If the company is not living up to it's end of the contract, then why doesn't ALPA, or employees take the company to court? Only seems fair right?

We do over and over again. Grievances are essentially the same thing. They break the contract and we win. We havent lost one since I have been working here. The company continually cost itself thousands and thousands of dollars every time we go through this process only to lose every time.
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