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10-10-2008, 10:25 AM
#8815
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Position: CRJ2, ATR, CRJ7, E145, 737
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I think ASRS is NASA. ASAP was a committee, and frankly..i don't think from a pilot's perspective, there's much of a difference between the two. ASAP was actually a little more beneficial to the airline, as it allowed the company to self disclose. We're still just as protected (from acts that aren't due to stupidity and an utter disregard to safety) using NASA forms as we are ASAP.
Just now we don't have to do the form AND the phone calls!
Just now we don't have to do the form AND the phone calls!
10-10-2008, 11:20 AM
#8817
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Economy Minus
Posts: 1,053
Originally Posted by andy171773
I think ASRS is NASA. ASAP was a committee, and frankly..i don't think from a pilot's perspective, there's much of a difference between the two. ASAP was actually a little more beneficial to the airline, as it allowed the company to self disclose. We're still just as protected (from acts that aren't due to stupidity and an utter disregard to safety) using NASA forms as we are ASAP.
Just now we don't have to do the form AND the phone calls!
Just now we don't have to do the form AND the phone calls!
"Pilots, air traffic controllers, flight attendants, mechanics, ground personnel, and others involved in aviation operations submit reports to the ASRS when they are involved in, or observe, an incident or situation in which aviation safety was compromised. All submissions are voluntary.
Reports sent to the ASRS are held in strict confidence. More than 715,000 reports have been submitted to date and no reporter's identity has ever been breached by the ASRS. ASRS de-identifies reports before entering them into the incident database. All personal and organizational names are removed. Dates, times, and related information, which could be used to infer an identity, are either generalized or eliminated.
The FAA offers ASRS reporters further guarantees and incentives to report. It has committed itself not to use ASRS information against reporters in enforcement actions. It has also chosen to waive fines and penalties, subject to certain limitations, for unintentional violations of federal aviation statutes and regulations which are reported to ASRS. The FAA's initiation, and continued support of the ASRS program and its willingness to waive penalties in qualifying cases is a measure of the value it places on the safety information gathered, and the products made possible, through incident reporting to the ASRS."
ASRS will protect you from a fine - not a certificate action. All the FAA has agreed to do is not use the actual report you submitted against you and to not fine you. They can still use the report filed by the controller/whomever and they can still take your ticket.
That is why we have ASAP. Good luck without it to everyone.
10-10-2008, 01:28 PM
#8818
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 4
"fines AND penalties", if ASRS excepts your report and you chose to exercise the immunity it grants, you will not have certificate action taken against you nor will you be fined. You can only use it once per certain amount of time , hoewever (either one or five years, I'm not sure). You can file as many reports as you want, but only can use it that certain number of times. That is why we have ASAP. You can use it as many times as you need.
10-10-2008, 02:20 PM
#8819
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Position: FO
Posts: 3,032
Originally Posted by skywatch
ASRS - Aviation Safety Reporting System
"Pilots, air traffic controllers, flight attendants, mechanics, ground personnel, and others involved in aviation operations submit reports to the ASRS when they are involved in, or observe, an incident or situation in which aviation safety was compromised. All submissions are voluntary.
Reports sent to the ASRS are held in strict confidence. More than 715,000 reports have been submitted to date and no reporter's identity has ever been breached by the ASRS. ASRS de-identifies reports before entering them into the incident database. All personal and organizational names are removed. Dates, times, and related information, which could be used to infer an identity, are either generalized or eliminated.
The FAA offers ASRS reporters further guarantees and incentives to report. It has committed itself not to use ASRS information against reporters in enforcement actions. It has also chosen to waive fines and penalties, subject to certain limitations, for unintentional violations of federal aviation statutes and regulations which are reported to ASRS. The FAA's initiation, and continued support of the ASRS program and its willingness to waive penalties in qualifying cases is a measure of the value it places on the safety information gathered, and the products made possible, through incident reporting to the ASRS."
ASRS will protect you from a fine - not a certificate action. All the FAA has agreed to do is not use the actual report you submitted against you and to not fine you. They can still use the report filed by the controller/whomever and they can still take your ticket.
That is why we have ASAP. Good luck without it to everyone.
"Pilots, air traffic controllers, flight attendants, mechanics, ground personnel, and others involved in aviation operations submit reports to the ASRS when they are involved in, or observe, an incident or situation in which aviation safety was compromised. All submissions are voluntary.
Reports sent to the ASRS are held in strict confidence. More than 715,000 reports have been submitted to date and no reporter's identity has ever been breached by the ASRS. ASRS de-identifies reports before entering them into the incident database. All personal and organizational names are removed. Dates, times, and related information, which could be used to infer an identity, are either generalized or eliminated.
The FAA offers ASRS reporters further guarantees and incentives to report. It has committed itself not to use ASRS information against reporters in enforcement actions. It has also chosen to waive fines and penalties, subject to certain limitations, for unintentional violations of federal aviation statutes and regulations which are reported to ASRS. The FAA's initiation, and continued support of the ASRS program and its willingness to waive penalties in qualifying cases is a measure of the value it places on the safety information gathered, and the products made possible, through incident reporting to the ASRS."
ASRS will protect you from a fine - not a certificate action. All the FAA has agreed to do is not use the actual report you submitted against you and to not fine you. They can still use the report filed by the controller/whomever and they can still take your ticket.
That is why we have ASAP. Good luck without it to everyone.
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