I think ASRS is NASA. ASAP was a committee, and frankly..i don't think from a pilot's perspective, there's much of a difference between the two. ASAP was actually a little more beneficial to the airline, as it allowed the company to self disclose. We're still just as protected (from acts that aren't due to stupidity and an utter disregard to safety) using NASA forms as we are ASAP.

Just now we don't have to do the form AND the phone calls!

 

For anybody that really wants to know whats going on with ASAP come to the airport. There is somebody from ALPA here to talk about it.

 

ASRS - Aviation Safety Reporting System

"Pilots, air traffic controllers, flight attendants, mechanics, ground personnel, and others involved in aviation operations submit reports to the ASRS when they are involved in, or observe, an incident or situation in which aviation safety was compromised. All submissions are voluntary.
Reports sent to the ASRS are held in strict confidence. More than 715,000 reports have been submitted to date and no reporter's identity has ever been breached by the ASRS. ASRS de-identifies reports before entering them into the incident database. All personal and organizational names are removed. Dates, times, and related information, which could be used to infer an identity, are either generalized or eliminated.
The FAA offers ASRS reporters further guarantees and incentives to report. It has committed itself not to use ASRS information against reporters in enforcement actions. It has also chosen to waive fines and penalties, subject to certain limitations, for unintentional violations of federal aviation statutes and regulations which are reported to ASRS. The FAA's initiation, and continued support of the ASRS program and its willingness to waive penalties in qualifying cases is a measure of the value it places on the safety information gathered, and the products made possible, through incident reporting to the ASRS."

ASRS will protect you from a fine - not a certificate action. All the FAA has agreed to do is not use the actual report you submitted against you and to not fine you. They can still use the report filed by the controller/whomever and they can still take your ticket.

That is why we have ASAP. Good luck without it to everyone.

 

"fines AND penalties", if ASRS excepts your report and you chose to exercise the immunity it grants, you will not have certificate action taken against you nor will you be fined. You can only use it once per certain amount of time , hoewever (either one or five years, I'm not sure). You can file as many reports as you want, but only can use it that certain number of times. That is why we have ASAP. You can use it as many times as you need.

 

You are wrong. Go back and re-read your bold text again.

 

question:::::the asap i think u have 5 days to send it in but what bout asrs? might need to fill one out cause of atc F#%#ing with my head!!

 

I believe it is 10 days

http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/

You can file them online.

 

It has also chosen to waive fines and penalties, subject to certain limitations, for unintentional violations of federal aviation statutes and regulations which are reported to ASRS.

OK, you think I am wrong. I think it is interesting that it says the FAA has also (past tense - no future guarantee) chosen to (their choice, not they HAVE TO) waive fines and penalties (that means money - fines and penalties are financial terms) for violations.

Why not do this? Don't believe me, rather someone do some research and prove me wrong. Post on here some proof that the ASRS program offers the same certificate protection that ASAP does.

Cause I have to ask - why is ASAP so much more complicated then? Why would carriers have ASAP? Why not just search the ASRS database for your safety information?

 

Wikipedia-

"If enforcement action is taken by the FAA against an accidental rule violation that did not result in an accident, a reporter can present their ASRS form as proof that the incident was reported. The FAA views the report as evidence of a "constructive safety attitude" and will not impose a penalty [1]. Immunity can be exercised once every five years, though an unlimited number of reports can be filed."

The reference in the article refers to NASA's ASRS website, where it officially says the same thing.

 

You do some research and prove to me that is doesn't.

Why would carriers have ASAP? same reason as discussed earlier. To identify problem areas and prevent accidents and reduce insurance premiums (if they aren't self insured) or in the event of an accident to show they are attempting to foster a safety conscious corporate culture (may save a couple mil in lawsuits).

Why more complicated? is it really? not in my opinion. pretty much the same form with maybe a few more air carrier specific carrier questions. Oh and you have to make a phone call.

The part of ASAP that saves your license is the ASRS report they file on your behalf. You know that slip they send you in the mail with the tracking number. You need to hold on to those, they are the only way (and I mean only way) to prove you filed a NASA report, and they will ask for that if they come for your license as proof. No receipt, you SOL.

I need another drink now.