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Old 10-09-2008 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
We do over and over again. Grievances are essentially the same thing. They break the contract and we win. We havent lost one since I have been working here. The company continually cost itself thousands and thousands of dollars every time we go through this process only to lose every time.
It seems that there must be a better way. Obviously the company keeps doing this because it is working for them. It may cost them money, but they get benefit of using us to get what they want in the meantime. It sounds like it is worth the cost to them.
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Old 10-09-2008 | 11:47 AM
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While I understand your point, isn't there something they can do against (for lack of a better term) the company. I would understand if there were multiple cases of this happening. Was there any dialog between the company and the union regarding this case?
Hopefully we will got more info, as I don't know what happened outside of the email.

I have been filling out ASRS forms since the courts decided that the ASAP info could be used in the 5191 court case.
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Old 10-09-2008 | 01:20 PM
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not to spread a rumor, but i heard that the furlough guys can cash out sick time and vacation before the furlough. is there any truth to this or was who ever i was talking to talking out of there wrong?
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Old 10-09-2008 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by crjpylot
not to spread a rumor, but i heard that the furlough guys can cash out sick time and vacation before the furlough. is there any truth to this or was who ever i was talking to talking out of there wrong?
I don't know about sick time, but I know that the contract (whatever that's worth) states that furloughees can cash out vacation.
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Old 10-09-2008 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon
Hopefully we will got more info, as I don't know what happened outside of the email.

I have been filling out ASRS forms since the courts decided that the ASAP info could be used in the 5191 court case.
Here's the info that the MEC won't give you - the company did not violate the MOU. The MOU is pretty boilerplate - here is the template:

Aviation Safety Action Program - MOU

The MOU protects the pilot from certificate action and keeps the report confidential from the company. It does not prevent the company from taking action against a pilot for something that is "public".
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Old 10-09-2008 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BobSakamano
I don't know about sick time, but I know that the contract (whatever that's worth) states that furloughees can cash out vacation.

basically mgmt thinks its toilet paper.
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Old 10-09-2008 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by skywatch
Here's the info that the MEC won't give you - the company did not violate the MOU. The MOU is pretty boilerplate - here is the template:

Aviation Safety Action Program - MOU

The MOU protects the pilot from certificate action and keeps the report confidential from the company. It does not prevent the company from taking action against a pilot for something that is "public".
Do we have an MOU in the contract on the ASAP program? How was this information public?
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Old 10-09-2008 | 03:21 PM
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so how do u exactly 'cash' out your vacation time?????????
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Old 10-09-2008 | 04:21 PM
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every single FO reservist on call today in CVG was called. Nice.
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Old 10-09-2008 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mmaviator
so how do u exactly 'cash' out your vacation time?????????
I plan on finding out next week.

The table on page 13-7 of the contract, Furlough LOA under Retain Vacation, says yes(c). At the bottom of the table it reads: (c) A pilot may cash out his accrued vacation.

If anyone knows how to go about this w/o having to go on a wild goose chase, please chime in.
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