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10-03-2008, 01:32 PM
#8681
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Originally Posted by heading180
I may be giving management a lot of credit here by saying this but does anyone think they (management) knew what they were doing all along? Do you think they knew they would give us our money, but they were just trying to bluff the union? Management has to be smart enough to know that withholding someones paycheck is against the law and obviously the KY labor board would get involved. I highly doubt they were surprised to hear from them. I just don't see them saying.. "oh gee whizz, its the KY labor board, we never thought about this guys" ... They have to be smarter than that.
I just wonder if they are bluffing. I wonder if they are bluffing some of these furloughs also. And no better way to play that card than pull some paychecks. Makes it sound real, more real than it is. Thoughts??
I just wonder if they are bluffing. I wonder if they are bluffing some of these furloughs also. And no better way to play that card than pull some paychecks. Makes it sound real, more real than it is. Thoughts??
Now that's some crazy thinkin right there. Creative thinking though.
10-03-2008, 02:16 PM
#8683
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Economy Minus
Posts: 1,053
Originally Posted by heading180
I may be giving management a lot of credit here by saying this but does anyone think they (management) knew what they were doing all along? Do you think they knew they would give us our money, but they were just trying to bluff the union? Management has to be smart enough to know that withholding someones paycheck is against the law and obviously the KY labor board would get involved. I highly doubt they were surprised to hear from them. I just don't see them saying.. "oh gee whizz, its the KY labor board, we never thought about this guys" ... They have to be smarter than that.
I just wonder if they are bluffing. I wonder if they are bluffing some of these furloughs also. And no better way to play that card than pull some paychecks. Makes it sound real, more real than it is. Thoughts??
I just wonder if they are bluffing. I wonder if they are bluffing some of these furloughs also. And no better way to play that card than pull some paychecks. Makes it sound real, more real than it is. Thoughts??
Maybe the more logical story is that someone screwed up in payroll and started the deduction before they should have? That rather than being some sinister plot it was some unforgivable incompetence?
10-03-2008, 03:13 PM
#8685
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Position: FO
Posts: 3,032
Originally Posted by skywatch
Maybe the more logical story is that someone screwed up in payroll and started the deduction before they should have? That rather than being some sinister plot it was some unforgivable incompetence?
10-03-2008, 03:28 PM
#8686
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: ELACS, FACs and SECs. Who doesn't love 'em?
Posts: 984
Originally Posted by heading180
I may be giving management a lot of credit here by saying this but does anyone think they (management) knew what they were doing all along? Do you think they knew they would give us our money, but they were just trying to bluff the union? Management has to be smart enough to know that withholding someones paycheck is against the law and obviously the KY labor board would get involved. I highly doubt they were surprised to hear from them. I just don't see them saying.. "oh gee whizz, its the KY labor board, we never thought about this guys" ... They have to be smarter than that.
I just wonder if they are bluffing. I wonder if they are bluffing some of these furloughs also. And no better way to play that card than pull some paychecks. Makes it sound real, more real than it is. Thoughts??
I just wonder if they are bluffing. I wonder if they are bluffing some of these furloughs also. And no better way to play that card than pull some paychecks. Makes it sound real, more real than it is. Thoughts??
10-03-2008, 03:31 PM
#8687
I have shiny jet syndrome
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Position: ELACS, FACs and SECs. Who doesn't love 'em?
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Originally Posted by skywatch
Perhaps they are all part of the New World Order? I thought I saw DS getting into a black helicoptor....
Maybe the more logical story is that someone screwed up in payroll and started the deduction before they should have? That rather than being some sinister plot it was some unforgivable incompetence?
Maybe the more logical story is that someone screwed up in payroll and started the deduction before they should have? That rather than being some sinister plot it was some unforgivable incompetence?
No. I can gurarantee you this was an intentional, deliberate act. The screw up is the entire management team's lack of leadership, integrity and ability to manage. They are more like high school hall monitors than managers. "Where's your hall pass?"
An accidental oversight would be payroll forgetting to pay a pilot premium pay for EF rather than straight pay.
An intentional act is deducting hundreds of dollards from 209 pilots' paychecks, leaving several with $0 and only changing their behavior when the Department of Labor and the full force of ALPA gets involved.
Last edited by RJtrashPilot; 10-03-2008 at 03:45 PM.
10-04-2008, 05:33 AM
#8688
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Position: Economy Minus
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Originally Posted by RJtrashPilot
No. I can gurarantee you this was an intentional, deliberate act. The screw up is the entire management team's lack of leadership, integrity and ability to manage. They are more like high school hall monitors than managers. "Where's your hall pass?"
An accidental oversight would be payroll forgetting to pay a pilot premium pay for EF rather than straight pay.
An intentional act is deducting hundreds of dollards from 209 pilots' paychecks, leaving several with $0 and only changing their behavior when the Department of Labor and the full force of ALPA gets involved.
An accidental oversight would be payroll forgetting to pay a pilot premium pay for EF rather than straight pay.
An intentional act is deducting hundreds of dollards from 209 pilots' paychecks, leaving several with $0 and only changing their behavior when the Department of Labor and the full force of ALPA gets involved.
Last edited by skywatch; 10-04-2008 at 05:45 AM.
10-04-2008, 05:58 AM
#8689
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Position: Back of the Furlough Bus
Posts: 222
Originally Posted by skywatch
So you really believe that the KY Dept of Labor and the Governor himself, on one days notice, intervened in a labor issue that involves 209 pilots?
10-04-2008, 06:53 AM
#8690
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Originally Posted by skywatch
So you really believe that the KY Dept of Labor and the Governor himself, on one days notice, intervened in a labor issue that involves 209 pilots?
Believe whatever you want to. If you believe this company has your best interests at heart, you are in for a rude awakening.
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