Yeah because FedEx guy sure knows what's best for the Sky West pilot group.

 

the only way it will happen is if EVERY alpa supporter actually votes, plus at least half of the on-the-fence guys vote yes.

I would say you have it in the bag but that pay vote last year was a real negative indication of skywest pilots apathy towards getting involved and voting. the vast majority of skw pilots didnt want that pay package, yet it passed due to a lack up voter turnout. i fear this will happen again with the alpa vote

And WAVIT - Fedex knows whats not best for your pilot group, and thats SAPA

 

I guess you can add SWA, American, United etc, etc, etc, to the list of those who know whats best for skywest. Refrence the add in usa today.

 

It's funny...I refused to consider SkyWest as an option while I was instructing simply because they were non-union. And now, after a year's experience at two Regionals, I'm about to vote NO to representation. And yes, I fly for SkyWest now.

Don't let those outside of SKW tell you what's best for you...they don't have your best interest in mind.

 

Common man! What are you talking about? Havent you learned this yet, whats good today usually is not the best tommorow. Look back at the history of unions and what they have done for our industry, not just six months at a few regionals.

Watching one of the republican presidential debates the other night, when the canidates were asked their views on unions, one said, I think you will see a huge resurgance of unions here in the future because of the erosion of the middle class, and the excessive executvie compensation. He was spot on!

Seems to be a direct correlation between the decline in union workers and the huge increase in executive compensation.

Wonder how it will feel to lie at your next union carrier when asked how you voted......

 

I couldn't tell you, because I wouldn't lie.

Ya'll voting yes sound like you're all living strictly in the distant past, and accusing those voting no of living strictly in the immediate present. We've all had ample time to ponder how ALPA will change our lives here at SkyWest in the near, mid, and long-term. Conversely, I am not going to vote ALPA in just because of what unions have done for the working-class half a century ago. I am not going to vote no just because I'll be saving 2%. The BIG picture is that ALPA is not right for my SkyWest right now...and I believe I am speaking for the majority of my Pilot group when I say this.

Every choice we make is half-chance...I made one helluva gamble coming here in the first-place, and couldn't be happier. I'm confident in my views, and have no problem with you choosing to wager on ALPA. I'm not knocking you (or any other ALPA-supporter at SkyWest) personally, so don't knock me.

 

My friend did you not read my post?

Unions were needed 50-100 years ago because of child labor, poor working conditions, etc, etc. They created our work rules we have today, min wage, 40 work week, etc. They did a good job helping to balance the power between the working class and the executives.

Shift gears to 2007

Unionized employees are at record lows.
Ceo Compensation is at record highs now 200+ times the avg employee, when only a few years previous it was 15 times the avg employee. Pilots are on food stamps, working two jobs etc, etc, etc.

Again there is a direct correlation between the decline in unionized employees and the record executive compensation. The middle class is diminishing rapidly; the disparity between classes is getting out of control. The only way to restore balance is unionized employee’s.

Mark my words you will see a huge resurgence of unionized employees in the next ten years.

Not trying to knock you my friend, just wonder where you are coming from, you seem a bit ignorant to me.

http://www.skywestalpa.org/documents...OpenLetter.pdf

 

bla blah, you are exactly right. the huge disparity here is that your company is doing fantastic and the only people who really benefit from that are the excutives and shareholders. im not saying that labor needs to rape the company for all its worth (this was the extreme we saw in the past that worked for a little while at the legacy airlines but just wasnt sustainable). A union at skywest is not going to go militant on management and demand a huge pay increase or else theyll strike. Its simply puttin a protection measure in place to PROTECT YOU, THE PILOTS OF SKYWEST (not us outsider pilots who for some reason you all think we are encouraging you to have a union for our own personal gains).

A union at skywest is not going to bring about drastic changes, thats not the intent. In fact, with a union, almost everything should be transparant to you, all that youll see is some tweaking of some things that may or may not be issues at your company, and solidifying the good things you have into an enforceable contract. the bottom line is you NEED a collective bargaining agreement for your own protection. You need access to legal help that will be on your side. You need representatives who will voice your concerns and be present with you at your request if you are ever called in to speak with management. Again most of this should be transparent to you so long as you never need it.

I know that almost everyone has made up their minds on the issue. I also am 95% certain the ALPA vote will FAIL at skywest. But like Ive said before, trying to get the information out to you is all we can do on this board. What you decide to do with your pilot group is ultimately your decision, but remember that decision should be made after reviewing the information and weighing the advantages and disadvantages (and no, 2% of your paycheck should not even be considered as a disadvantage).

 

Exactly, with a union we have no intentions to rape management, just get a contract. I want skyw to succeed, I want to work for a successful regional, I want skyw to remain profitable. I also want a cost of living increase each year to keep up with inflation.

Like ghills said, the legacy pay was unsustainable, mainly because of a few low cost carriers who paid significantly less, and had inept management.

We want skyw to succeed and to take part in the success we helped create.

 

You guys are right. I decided to listen to both sides of the argument before I voted, even though I was originally opposed. The last 3 weeks I've asked everyone I've flown with and more their opinion. There were great arguments for both a union and no union. To be perfectly honest all my life I've been a "shopper". I don't buy on impulse. Whenever I'm looking at something I'm thinking about getting I do research, ask others who already have or had what I'm looking at, then make a decision. The truth here is that after all my research what I'm finding is that all who have had a union previously except one guy are dead set against it. Now I ask you, if you were looking at a car to buy, and everyone except one who had the car previously hated it, would you buy that car? That's a legitimate question right? I would bet money that 80% of the guys at Skywest who want a union here have never worked for one in the past. I certainly may be wrong, but of the 18 guys I asked about the union in the past 3 weeks only 1 who was voting for the union had worked for one prior, and he was just over the fence. I'm sorry but I would be a fool to buy a product if its got a bad performance history. Bla Bla,,, I have to ask, have you worked for a union carrier before? I'm just curious, no harm meant. Everyone is entitled to their opion.