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Old 11-25-2008 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bassslayer
What you need to remember is that if it going cost PSA anything, they will not do it. They have to be forced into anything that costs money. The goal is to run this airline as lean and cheap as humanly possible and still have an airline. If getting new airplanes and/or using those airplanes to fly more expensive routes, it willl be outsourced. Thats why we dont fly into Canada anymore. It's more epensive to fly international so it makes financial sense to have the contract carriers do it. Don't forget Republic and Air Whisky loaned a combined 70 million to airways. I would expect any additional flying to go to them first, if at all possible. Not to mention, if PSA were to have a net gain in airframes, J for J would be back on the table. Neither the pilot group or management wants that to happen. Regardless of who gets additional flying, if anyone, these companies are going to have a hard time going from having people furloughed to staffing additional airframes in the time frame airways is going to want. Thats just my worthless opinion. You are all dumber for having read it.
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Old 11-25-2008 | 04:01 PM
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If Mesa starts shedding airplanes or goes under, airways is going to need that flying covered fast. None of these companies are in a position to do anything quickly with people furloughed
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Old 11-25-2008 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bassslayer
If Mesa starts shedding airplanes or goes under, airways is going to need that flying covered fast. None of these companies are in a position to do anything quickly with people furloughed
Couldn't agree with you more.
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Old 11-25-2008 | 04:30 PM
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We at Whiskey hear that we "Allegedly" have some guys in our Training Dept. at CAE in Denver Brushing up on 700/900 training...But who the hell knows....

I think all of us in the Airways System would benefit from Mesa Dying...Even alot of the Mesa Pilots....they'll still have jobs....just working for another company
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Old 11-25-2008 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy8784
We at Whiskey hear that we "Allegedly" have some guys in our Training Dept. at CAE in Denver Brushing up on 700/900 training...But who the hell knows....

I think all of us in the Airways System would benefit from Mesa Dying...Even alot of the Mesa Pilots....they'll still have jobs....just working for another company
I think if AirWisky got the 900's it would show the beginning of the end for PSA. No growth, only shrinkage, and a management that does not want to grow, just remain at current levels. Couple that with us keeping the -200's, not a good sign.
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Old 11-25-2008 | 06:32 PM
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There won't be any additional large regional jets at the regional level. We are already above what is allowed by mainlines contract. So any additional airplanes would have to come from Mesa going under. If that happens then i would most likely see Republic or Air Wiskey getting the flying. More so Republic not Air Wiskey cause if i remember correctly they were only allowed 50 seat airframes. Republic gets what they want. PSA, Piedmont will only get left overs or the flying that isn't cost effective for Air Wiskey, they have duty rigs.
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Old 11-25-2008 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by seafeye
More so Republic not Air Wiskey cause if i remember correctly they were only allowed 50 seat airframes. Republic gets what they want. PSA, Piedmont will only get left overs or the flying that isn't cost effective for Air Wiskey, they have duty rigs.

Hey I gotta double check the contract but i think we are scoped to 90 seats....I know back in the United Days we were scoped to 100 Seats
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Old 11-26-2008 | 09:51 AM
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Unless Republic plans on learning how to fly -900's, they will not be an issue in taking the flying, as scope will not allow any more 70+ seat aircraft on property. Air Wisky got a contract extension for the money they gave airways, so any additional flying would not be a mandatory thing (even though they would be a good choice from a pilot perspective since they would fly them for good pay). I personally see some -900's going away because USAPA wants to regain scope and there are way to many RJ's in the system in relation to mainline aircraft, and what is left being jet-wise being split between Wisky and PSA.
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Old 11-26-2008 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Theonemarine
Unless Republic plans on learning how to fly -900's, they will not be an issue in taking the flying, as scope will not allow any more 70+ seat aircraft on property. Air Wisky got a contract extension for the money they gave airways, so any additional flying would not be a mandatory thing (even though they would be a good choice from a pilot perspective since they would fly them for good pay). I personally see some -900's going away because USAPA wants to regain scope and there are way to many RJ's in the system in relation to mainline aircraft, and what is left being jet-wise being split between Wisky and PSA.
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We had 73 Captain jumpseating the other day....hes on the USAPA Board....they dont want the 190's unless they get a fair Pay Scale from them....They claim negotiations with the company are going suprsingly well. He had mentioned a big problem with this LOA 93 that was signed back during their first concessionary contract. He seemed to think things will turn around as long as the Union is strong enough...again he blames ALPA for all the problems...which I can sympathize with....ALPA is not run the way a Union is supposed to be run
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Old 11-26-2008 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy8784
We had 73 Captain jumpseating the other day....hes on the USAPA Board....they dont want the 190's unless they get a fair Pay Scale from them....They claim negotiations with the company are going suprsingly well. He had mentioned a big problem with this LOA 93 that was signed back during their first concessionary contract. He seemed to think things will turn around as long as the Union is strong enough...again he blames ALPA for all the problems...which I can sympathize with....ALPA is not run the way a Union is supposed to be run
In what regard does he see things turning around? Just for mainline or for the whole US Airways system? I sure as hell hope he is right. Now that USAPA has realized that they need to fix a lot more than just the stupid feud with AWA, I think they will do a lot of good if the company will work with them.
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