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Old 11-02-2018, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by PhantomHawk View Post
Pretty sure the guy in question worked for COMAIR! Thatís how old this thread is. Things have changed a little in the TEN YEARS since this thread started.
Hahahahaha...this!
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by cornbeef007 View Post
I think your being a little dramatic....

Whether those Captains care because of:

A. I’m the Captain and they must kiss the ring.

B. They want to know who is back there in the case of an emergency.

The FOM doesn’t say they need to check in. I’m guessing we are given that guidance for a reason. I would recommend checking in as a jump seater but leaving someone for not doing so is incorrect.

Honestly, most of the guys that fit into A. from above would have a re-education conversation before they left someone behind.
The FOM does say they need to check in. It's a bit confusing because it uses the term "flight deck jumpseater" but it still calls them that even if seated in the cabin.
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Old 11-02-2018, 10:17 PM
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I would just feel silly asking to check in with the captain when I'm jumpseating in the cabin of an A330 on an International flight. Especially if I'm all the way in the rear cabin. But I guess one day I might get kicked out
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Old 11-03-2018, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Baradium View Post
The FOM does say they need to check in. It's a bit confusing because it uses the term "flight deck jumpseater" but it still calls them that even if seated in the cabin.
Shoot, I stand corrected...judging by the change demarcation next to the requirement, this is something new but old
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Old 11-03-2018, 03:52 AM
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Back to the OP. Yes.
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Old 11-05-2018, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by PhantomHawk View Post
Pretty sure the guy in question worked for COMAIR! That’s how old this thread is. Things have changed a little in the TEN YEARS since this thread started.
The only thing that has changed is that *some* airlines now prefer that cabin jumpseaters don't bother the crew. But if it's not one of those, better check in.

There is a good reason for having cabin jumpseaters check in... many 135 operations "encourage" their pilots to use JS privilege to re-position to pick up airplanes (total violation of JS policy and intent).

The gate agent will let them on but in many cases they don't even have an agreement and are not listed in the FOM. So you're giving someone a free ride, who should be buying a ticket, so he can compete for your airlines premium pax...

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Old 11-05-2018, 06:36 AM
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To add, any 135 operator having JS privileges using them when they should be billing the charter customer ticket cost is one, probably billing them anyway and two, probably skirting a lot of other rules. Charter 135 is a cutthroat business.

I didnít realize they could get JS privileges..

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Old 11-05-2018, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
To add, any 135 operator having JS privileges using them when they should be billing the charter customer ticket cost is one, probably billing them anyway and two, probably skirting a lot of other rules. Charter 135 is a cutthroat business.

I didnít realize they could get JS privileges..

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Plenty of 135 companies have CASS programs.
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Old 11-05-2018, 01:25 PM
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Plenty of 135 companies have CASS programs.
But that doesn't mean they have an agreement with any particular airline, but the gate agents often don't know that.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
But that doesn't mean they have an agreement with any particular airline, but the gate agents often don't know that.
True. I didn't realize some gate agents don't check eligibility for the JS. I would've thought that's their job.
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