Are F/Os really scum?
#81
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Posts: 249

Not sure if I'd recommend this. If you're on a jumpseat pass, but in the back, technically the CA is the final authority to allow this/fills out paperwork. Some CA's may not care, but J/Seating is a priveledge, not a right. Personally, even if I'm on a Standby pass, If there's time I'll introduce myself to the crew (usually they don't care, but it's nice to know you have an ACM in the back), and then to the FA's. You're riding for free, show em' you appreciate it.

#82

Should always check in. The Jumpseat form says the CA has final authority, not the Gate Agent. It is professional courtesy to ask the CA for a ride everytime. If not the next time the FA calls for the JS to come to the front it may be asking you to leave the plane since you did not check in with the CA...I have seen it and it does happen.
#83
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
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[quote=mooney;346823]YOU WORK ON THE RAMP!!
you are confusing JUMPSEATING with NONREVING,
Not talking about NonReving...talking about getting a seat in the back....not necessary to check in with the captain because the flight deck crew is usually very busy trying to quick turn the airplane.
It is a professional courtesy but also if the crew looks busy it is much more professional to not bother them.
My 02 cents.
you are confusing JUMPSEATING with NONREVING,
Not talking about NonReving...talking about getting a seat in the back....not necessary to check in with the captain because the flight deck crew is usually very busy trying to quick turn the airplane.
It is a professional courtesy but also if the crew looks busy it is much more professional to not bother them.
My 02 cents.
#84
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: FO
Posts: 224

[quote=denramp;346931]

If they are busy, you wait until they are done. It doesn't matter how "quick" the turn is, there is always a moment to say hello, even if it is after you stow your bags.
Its professional courtesy, along the same lines as turning off the taxi light when you get to the gate and are staring at the marshaller.
Checko
YOU WORK ON THE RAMP!!
you are confusing JUMPSEATING with NONREVING,
Not talking about NonReving...talking about getting a seat in the back....not necessary to check in with the captain because the flight deck crew is usually very busy trying to quick turn the airplane.
It is a professional courtesy but also if the crew looks busy it is much more professional to not bother them.
My 02 cents.
you are confusing JUMPSEATING with NONREVING,
Not talking about NonReving...talking about getting a seat in the back....not necessary to check in with the captain because the flight deck crew is usually very busy trying to quick turn the airplane.
It is a professional courtesy but also if the crew looks busy it is much more professional to not bother them.
My 02 cents.

If they are busy, you wait until they are done. It doesn't matter how "quick" the turn is, there is always a moment to say hello, even if it is after you stow your bags.
Its professional courtesy, along the same lines as turning off the taxi light when you get to the gate and are staring at the marshaller.
Checko
#85

The CA always has final say on on a JSer, CASS or not. He might end up having to explain himself if he denies too many, or the wrong, JSer.
If there are seats in the cabin, and the JSer is employed by YOUR AIRLINE ONLY he may sit in the actual if he and the CA so desire. The TSA requires offline (including codeshare) JSer's to sit in the cabin if a seat is available. Your CA does not technically have the authority to allow those folks in JS if there's room in back.
If it were me, I'd say hi to both pilots, and most everybody does.
If there are seats in the cabin, and the JSer is employed by YOUR AIRLINE ONLY he may sit in the actual if he and the CA so desire. The TSA requires offline (including codeshare) JSer's to sit in the cabin if a seat is available. Your CA does not technically have the authority to allow those folks in JS if there's room in back.
If it were me, I'd say hi to both pilots, and most everybody does.
#86

Originally Posted by TheProfessionalPilot
Hey for over an hour I got wacked in the back of the head by a fdx guy who thought it was funny.... See, I didn't say anything, because the captain told him to do it and that "he likes it".... so I got hit across the head from DFW to MEM... what a ride, while flying the appropriate departure too. Don't worry man, others HAVE had worse.
Oh yeah, like others have said, don't assume they are jerks just because of that. And don't be afraid to take a stand, like I didn't do on those two occasions. I don't know, something about being on probation makes me afraid to do much of anything. LoL So yeah, i'm being hypocritical. I wish I didn't feel like I would have been fired, but if I had said anything in either of those situations, what I would have said would have GOTTEN me fired, so keep that in mind IF you decide to take the stand!
I know what you're saying about probation - I had to deal with a volatile Captain and wished I had had more of a backbone. However, the Fedex pilot and your Captain - that's way over the line. What were they - 5 year olds? Amazing the stories you hear from the flight deck!

Hey for over an hour I got wacked in the back of the head by a fdx guy who thought it was funny.... See, I didn't say anything, because the captain told him to do it and that "he likes it".... so I got hit across the head from DFW to MEM... what a ride, while flying the appropriate departure too. Don't worry man, others HAVE had worse.
Oh yeah, like others have said, don't assume they are jerks just because of that. And don't be afraid to take a stand, like I didn't do on those two occasions. I don't know, something about being on probation makes me afraid to do much of anything. LoL So yeah, i'm being hypocritical. I wish I didn't feel like I would have been fired, but if I had said anything in either of those situations, what I would have said would have GOTTEN me fired, so keep that in mind IF you decide to take the stand!
I know what you're saying about probation - I had to deal with a volatile Captain and wished I had had more of a backbone. However, the Fedex pilot and your Captain - that's way over the line. What were they - 5 year olds? Amazing the stories you hear from the flight deck!
#87

Yeah, that's BS. Even in the military we don't f$ck around like that, especially when the co got 40 lbs on ya and doesn't particularly enjoy being a gear ***** anyways lol.
For all the bro sh$t I've seen, when it comes to flying everybody's on spot and does their job relying fully on the dude next to ya, cause he might keep ya honest one day, regardless of seat. I know everybody's clinging kung fu grip to their jobs but Jesus Christ man...
For all the bro sh$t I've seen, when it comes to flying everybody's on spot and does their job relying fully on the dude next to ya, cause he might keep ya honest one day, regardless of seat. I know everybody's clinging kung fu grip to their jobs but Jesus Christ man...
#88
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#89

Maybe it's time for you to exhibit some of that F.O. assertiveness and look that Delta Captain squarely in the face, extend your hand, and make him shake it! Maybe then he will respect you.
#90

Simple fact of professionalism, if you saw a crew getting off your aircraft you will inevitably ask yourself ' why didn't they come up to introduce themself ? ' ....The right thing to do, the courteous thing to do is to go up there, if they are not busy/late/extended/whatever, is to introduce yourself and to make yourself as available to the FA's as possible too

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