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Old 05-06-2008 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetlinker
Dude, do you have any idea how much of a jackass you sound like? Don't go around saying that flying has been awarded when you don't know sh!t. You make the rest of your pilot group look bad as well. You are purely speculating in that pea brain of yours that CAL is going to give up it's scope, XJT will lose all it's flying, and SkyWest has already been awarded a contract to fly 70/90 seat aircraft...........and this is based on? Grow up, this is the problem with airlines hiring 20 yr old, 500 hr wunderkinds.
I didn't say anything about cal giving up scope on the 70 or 90 seaters, I just said that it might not be the crj200 that would be used. The letter that was sent to the xjet ceo from the cal ceo did say that CAL had already negoiated a new contract with skywest.

Btw, you should be the last one to talk about 500 hour wunderkids. That seems to be all what xjt has hired in the last 2 years. I don't need to remind you that skywest has a firm 1000 hour total time requirement?

I don't know why you expressjet pilots get so defensive, seems like everything is pretty cut and dry about the future.
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Old 05-06-2008 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Slaphappy
I didn't say anything about cal giving up scope on the 70 or 90 seaters, I just said that it might not be the crj200 that would be used. The letter that was sent to the xjet ceo from the cal ceo did say that CAL had already negoiated a new contract with skywest.
Dear Jim and George:

We understand that SkyWest, Inc. (“SkyWest”) has delivered to you an offer to acquire ExpressJet Holdings, Inc. (“ExpressJet”). In connection with your consideration of such offer, we wanted to inform you of our understanding with SkyWest regarding a new capacity purchase agreement (“CPA”) and our intentions regarding our existing contractual relationship.

First, we confirm that we have negotiated a new CPA with SkyWest, which would become effective if SkyWest is successful in acquiring ExpressJet (which, in turn, is subject to due diligence, among other things), and that we would consent to the change of control that would occur upon such an acquisition.
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I'd be more than happy to forward a copy of the letter with a copy of Webster's dictionary, if it helps you. This is exactly why you have zero credibility on this board, and your maturity level shine's throught your comments, embarrasing the rest of your pilot group.
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Old 05-06-2008 | 05:49 PM
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Dear Jim and George:

We understand that SkyWest, Inc. (“SkyWest”) has delivered to you an offer to acquire ExpressJet Holdings, Inc. (“ExpressJet”). In connection with your consideration of such offer, we wanted to inform you of our understanding with SkyWest regarding a new capacity purchase agreement (“CPA”) and our intentions regarding our existing contractual relationship.

First, we confirm that we have negotiated a new CPA with SkyWest, which would become effective if SkyWest is successful in acquiring ExpressJet (which, in turn, is subject to due diligence, among other things), and that we would consent to the change of control that would occur upon such an acquisition.
But you don't really think that it can't be changed do you? If you do end up calling their bluff don't you think there isn't already something in the works for the to be amended?
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Old 05-06-2008 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Slaphappy
Who said anything about the crj200?

You may end up with a big shocker at the end of this year. I doubt anyone at skywest would be mad if the deal doesn't happen, especially considering that Skywest has been awarded the flying regardless.
So then, do you mind explaining this comment? What's the big shocker? CAL caves on scope and SkyWest flies CRJ700's? SkyWest swoopes in and takes the 51 ERJ's, adds another fleet type, and has to train a ton of pilots? You might want to have some facts before you post crap like this. Instead you choose to flame. Did you expect anything other than a defensive response to this?
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Old 05-06-2008 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Slaphappy
But you don't really think that it can't be changed do you? If you do end up calling their bluff don't you think there isn't already something in the works for the to be amended?

That's not what you said. You said, the CAL flying had "already been awarded to skywest", and I just proved why you have zero credibility on this site. Say what you want now.

In the real world son, there is such a thing as accountability for the things we say. My 6 year old already knows it, and you're trying to dig your way out of the hole you put yourself in, truly an embarrassment to your pilot group.
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Old 05-06-2008 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetlinker
So then, do you mind explaining this comment? What's the big shocker? CAL caves on scope and SkyWest flies CRJ700's? SkyWest swoopes in and takes the 51 ERJ's, adds another fleet type, and has to train a ton of pilots? You might want to have some facts before you post crap like this. Instead you choose to flame. Did you expect anything other than a defensive response to this?
Yes, actually there could be a new fleet type.

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That's not what you said. You said, the CAL flying had "already been awarded to skywest", and I just proved why you have zero credibility on this site. Say what you want now.

In the real world son, there is such a thing as accountability for the things we say. My 6 year old already knows it, and you're trying to dig your way out of the hole you put yourself in, truly an embarrassment to your pilot group.
Well honestly It doesn't really concern me what you think of me or anyone else for that matter. You can try can play the semantics game all you want but its just common sense to know that the contract between skywest and cal can and probably will be changed for whatever outcome this has.

anyway I'm done with this and we'll see who is right in the end.
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Old 05-06-2008 | 06:12 PM
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I don't really understand why people seem to take all this so personally, some even saying they would want to cut off their nose to spite their face. This is just business as usual between CEOs. Don't let your ego and pride get wrapped up in their games.

XJT is getting backed into a corner and no matter how confindent you XJT guys feel, this isn't a good place to be. CAL is calling you out, and I don't know if there is a desirable option to pursue. Sticking it to CAL may lead to your demise and compromising your contract has obvious drawbacks. Nobody is saying XJT is a crummy airline. On the contrary, Jerry himself was in the ORD crew room singing XJT's praises (not their value to us but their overall worth in the industry in any capacity) just a week ago.

I won't speculate on the future because I'm just a line pilot without any really credible information. Just remember that pride and ignorance is fueling this rift between CAL and XJT. If I were the XJT pilot group I wouldn't fight fire with fire, they've (CAL) already proven that they will take a hit financially to bully you (XJT). It was common knowledge that the CHQ deal two years ago didn't save CAL any money and definitely caused a lot of headaches.

From a SKW pilot, I wish you guys the best of luck. XJT is a great regional and I would hate to see a good pilot go down.
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Old 05-06-2008 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Slaphappy
You can try can play the semantics game all you want but its just common sense to know that the contract between skywest and cal can and probably will be changed for whatever outcome this has.

anyway I'm done with this and we'll see who is right in the end.
Semantics = facts vs fiction.

Facts: Writen proof posted above as per the letter sent from CAL management to our ceo.

Fiction: A 20 year old skywest pilot speculating on a CPA with CAL that has not taken place.

You poor diluted soul.
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Old 05-06-2008 | 06:24 PM
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People on this board are in for a shock. Skywest was given the FAA approval needed to fly the 145. It was granted yesterday.
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Old 05-06-2008 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by duvie
I don't really understand why people seem to take all this so personally, some even saying they would want to cut off their nose to spite their face. This is just business as usual between CEOs. Don't let your ego and pride get wrapped up in their games.

XJT is getting backed into a corner and no matter how confindent you XJT guys feel, this isn't a good place to be. CAL is calling you out, and I don't know if there is a desirable option to pursue. Sticking it to CAL may lead to your demise and compromising your contract has obvious drawbacks. Nobody is saying XJT is a crummy airline. On the contrary, Jerry himself was in the ORD crew room singing XJT's praises (not their value to us but their overall worth in the industry in any capacity) just a week ago.

I won't speculate on the future because I'm just a line pilot without any really credible information. Just remember that pride and ignorance is fueling this rift between CAL and XJT. If I were the XJT pilot group I wouldn't fight fire with fire, they've (CAL) already proven that they will take a hit financially to bully you (XJT). It was common knowledge that the CHQ deal two years ago didn't save CAL any money and definitely caused a lot of headaches.

From a SKW pilot, I wish you guys the best of luck. XJT is a great regional and I would hate to see a good pilot go down.

I appreciate your thoughts, for the most part most folks here, just plain and simply don't care about CAL one way or the other, they are our customer and we go out and do the best job we can for them, just as we do for Delta, Charter, and Branded.

As said earlier by many on this and other sites, we will do whatever is in the best interest of our group. Let's be honest guys, neither CAL management nor skywest management has our best interest at heart.

Best of luck to all of us.
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