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Old 02-28-2010 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by The Hitcher
How? Because this:



is the truth at PDT. Working crews until they drop = fatigued = cancelled when you're running the airline on the backs of reserves. It will continue forever. Back when we were well staffed was a total fluke.
You obviously work in the USairways system with PDT/PSA and should know they will run things as they are until there is a need for a change. Recall the 2005-2007 when things were short and thus I know at PSA there were a crap load of cx flights. Which then meant they over hired and thus the reason we have 55 plus on furlough. Add that to the fact PSA's pilot never went to Mainline like PDT you have more of a need for fewer pilots......

I just do not see PSA/PDT recalling until they are FORCED to. It simply will not be to ease the pain of reserves... I hope I am WRONG! I REALLY HOPE I am wrong... I think PSA could at least use 20+ Recalls for the summer and that many upgrades as well. But guess we will see what happens....
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Old 02-28-2010 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by meyers9163
You obviously work in the USairways system with PDT/PSA and should know they will run things as they are until there is a need for a change.
Well, yes. But you're in a closed loop when you start talking about "a need for a change."

Recall the 2005-2007 when things were short and thus I know at PSA there were a crap load of cx flights. Which then meant they over hired and thus the reason we have 55 plus on furlough.
Recall prior to that the flow through to Mid Atlantic. Recall prior to that the fact that a checkin message was almost perfunctory, and line holders had 7, 8, 11, 20 revisions to their schedules.

Add that to the fact PSA's pilot never went to Mainline like PDT you have more of a need for fewer pilots......
You said it, you prove it.

I just do not see PSA/PDT recalling until they are FORCED to. It simply will not be to ease the pain of reserves... I hope I am WRONG! I REALLY HOPE I am wrong... I think PSA could at least use 20+ Recalls for the summer and that many upgrades as well. But guess we will see what happens....
Back to the closed loop. The companies can clearly state the airline is staffed, even when crew resources force a couple of cancellations during an IROP. When you see cancellations happening routinely on a clear blue day is exactly the same time you see the hiring/training pipeline open full throttle. Do you see the problem?

We're short staffed, but we're hiring! So, bear with us.
We're over staffed, so we're furloughing. So, suck it.

If you had the 900s coming on property as growth aircraft (as an example), or say PDT had Q400s coming (more FAs, for which we have a position in our schedules and more pilots), they'd know a real need for warm bodies existed in the near future. Short of that? They'll run every one of us to the FAA max as long as they feel like it.
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Old 02-28-2010 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by The Hitcher
Short of that? They'll run every one of us to the FAA max as long as they feel like it.
I totally agree...
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Old 02-28-2010 | 12:02 PM
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Meyers,

I'm more interested in your assertion that PSA didn't go TO mainline, which causes your pilot group harm with overstaffing.
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Old 02-28-2010 | 12:57 PM
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Do I have to kick him out again?
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Old 02-28-2010 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Phuz
Do I have to kick him out again?
I have this covered. Just remember, our furloughs weren't caused by a sellout J4J land grab. Ours happened thanks to a tanked economy and a credit dryup.

Back to you, Meyers?
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Old 02-28-2010 | 01:31 PM
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Alright, to get back on the subject of Piedmont,

Ask Piedmont has posted...Not much in the way of recalls or anything like that, but there was a great answer by Bill in MX explaining the difference with aircraft produced before s/n 225. Basically, all aircraft are eligible for life extentions up to 120,000 cycles up from the original 80,000. He explained that Bombardier is in the process of creating the program for us, Jazz, and Winderoe to extend the life of the old 100's. They called it the ReNew program (how unique). This would also include updating interiors with new overheads as well as upgraded avionics. The s/n 225 is interesting because aircraft porduced after 225 included the new interiors but also a new wing. This is the reason why you could take these aircraft and put new more powerful engines in them and eliminate the weight restictions currently problematic on the 100s. It doesn't effect the one 300 as there is no weight issues.

So, 906 might have some more life in her afterall?
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Old 02-28-2010 | 01:34 PM
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There's a problem with that, and anyone who operated a flight to YQB or YYC knows the answer.

- edit - It's not just the wing. And it costs wayyyy too much $$.
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Old 02-28-2010 | 02:01 PM
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Yeah, Piedmont/Airways would never spend the money for this...those planes are as good as gone next year.
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Old 02-28-2010 | 02:17 PM
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Typical response, PDTsters. The decision regarding the fleet will be forced by late this year. Lots of answers peppered with facts, but the truth of the matter is left out. How will you justify a 106 (edit- oops, I thought the 106 upgrade was the line for -200 numbers, Axe Piedmont says 103) upgrade to those frames? You can't (truth). But the possibility exists, so hang onto that (fact). A spar upgrade, a gear upgrade, an avionics upgrade, and an interior upgrade?! Really?

Back to Meyers with my question.

Further edit: The man answering the question is as straight a shooter you can find. I'm impressed by his efforts on Axe Piedmont, because he does a truly great job. The problem is he is operating under the same strange world our management is, and can only do so much. BA rules. He deserves credit.

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