Originally Posted by daOldMan

No, the company can stop the flow whenever it wants. They will stop it, your union will grieve it, and it will be hung up in arbitration for 2-3 years. By that time, there will be enough newly trained pilots and the industry will be flooded again.

Look at what MK is doing at PSA (MK being a former PDT guy). PSA realized that they made a mistake in the contract when it came to critical pay, and the PSA pilots were the highest paid in the industry. They just simply stopped paying critical pay as agreed to in the contract. It was a blatant violation of the contract. That was almost 2 years ago, and it is still in arbitration. After that, it will be negotiated. It will be another year before anyone sees anything.

The same thing will happen with the flow at all 3 WO'd once they run out of pilots. The flow will stop. Period. Or, even better, just shut that airline down, shift the pilots to the others, and they no longer have to flow those pilots.

The flow will not we here in 18 months.

Originally Posted by billyho

Depends, if Piedmont get to their future growth then they'd be the fastest. Look what I wrote, I said out of the 3 Piedmont PROBABLY has the fastest. We are talking about the regionals and things are always changing. So I'll say this if Piedmont grows to what they want it WILL have the fastest flow of the 3.

There you go!

Originally Posted by boiler07

You think it's likely PDT will grow to 100% of the projected size? The trend lately doesn't point to that being possible.

Originally Posted by billyho

You think it's only the WO carriers at American that are struggling? It's all the regionals and even a few National Carriers. That's why I think American will eventually take over all the flying. Then I think they will make a big group 1 a/c order and will probably put the WO pilots on the seniority list at American.

Originally Posted by N927EV

Group 1 as essentially a B scale? Kind of like what candel did back in the 80s. Wouldn't be surprised.

Originally Posted by boiler07

You think it's likely PDT will grow to 100% of the projected size? The trend lately doesn't point to that being possible.

Originally Posted by daOldMan

No, the company can stop the flow whenever it wants. They will stop it, your union will grieve it, and it will be hung up in arbitration for 2-3 years. By that time, there will be enough newly trained pilots and the industry will be flooded again.

Look at what MK is doing at PSA (MK being a former PDT guy). PSA realized that they made a mistake in the contract when it came to critical pay, and the PSA pilots were the highest paid in the industry. They just simply stopped paying critical pay as agreed to in the contract. It was a blatant violation of the contract. That was almost 2 years ago, and it is still in arbitration. After that, it will be negotiated. It will be another year before anyone sees anything.

The same thing will happen with the flow at all 3 WO'd once they run out of pilots. The flow will stop. Period. Or, even better, just shut that airline down, shift the pilots to the others, and they no longer have to flow those pilots.

The flow will not we here in 18 months.

Originally Posted by billyho

Let's just say they got a TON of work ahead of them.

Originally Posted by ag386

Because of the inability to hire? It's not like Envoy is sitting pretty with guys beating down the door. "One" new hire month to date.

Originally Posted by ag386

This is a very good picture of what I expect to happen. It's very difficult to believe that there are a pack of Envoy guys here that are still drinking the flow juice.