Couldn't agree more so why take out your pitty on the new guys who want a job,if indeed some one wanted to know how good or bad mesa is they would ask

Hmmm... Educating.... I think most of the guys and girls on her have some sort of college education which means that they don't need their hand held to decide whether they want snickers or milkyway...

Oh wait wouldn't making a choice for yourself kinda revert back to what we learned in ADM.. Oh thats right I forgot thats only taught from pvt through every rating you'll earn...

Know it all... hmmmm that sounds like some one who keeps bashing mesa on this thread like they're a 40 year retired continental capt... hmmmm interesting

the smartest thing that you've said thus far... because one day I want to be a real boy just like you, so I'm going to have make some decisions for my self in order get there....

 

Thank you for that post....most of us do have college educations and teach people how to fly airplanes, I really think that we are capabale of making our own decisions. No one else is hiring right now and those of us that are going to Mesa are trying to get our foot in the door. If we last this down turn with out getting furloughed then we are setting our selves up to be in a good position for the next up swing. If things dont work out then we are right back to were we were as flight instructors. I have friends that fly for Mesa who are young and single, and they are having the time of their lives. It really does beat instructing, if I dont have a wife and kids to come home to then why shouldnt I work alot and build my experience and maybe make some money. I know your gonna flame me next for the money comment but getting JA or picking up trips pays 1.5. Mesa does suck for those who have reasons to be home and I can understand that, but honestly you shouldnt come on here telling people who you dont even know what they should and should not do with their lives. What a typical Mesa thread it goes way to long because some one asks a question and then the so called "aviation gods" have to chime in and tell them how things should be and what they should do with their lives. One word of advice worry about your self first Wiz, I mean honestly do you really think im gonna come on here and allow some guy who I dont even know to make my life decisions for me.

 

Haha sounds like someone I know......

Man you have no idea, I have been where you want to be, flying dirty Mesa airplanes for slave labor. I was exectly like you, in fact I probably did come on this site back a year ago defending places like Mesa. The fact is very soon, some in about a month or two, after the dust settles you will realize that flying airliners is just a job and that feeling cool doesn't pay the bills or justify your $hitty qol. I know at this point that absoutely makes no sense to you because you equate it to a 172 vs a CRJ but trust me and others who are trying to give you advice who have already been there and done that. Hang in there and CFI because I 100% guarantee once you get the flight time for a regional where you actually WANT to be as apposed to "get your foot in", you will swithc and will have to put up with another airline training event and all the problems that brings. No one is making life decisions for you, only you can do that.

 

ExperimentalAB, where are you at and when did you get hired?

Back the thread, if seniority is everything, why would someone want to spend another year in a C172 when it takes 1000 TPIC to apply for the majors and nationals, where someone would want to have the earliest seniority number possible? The stepping stone regional & CFI jobs are wasting time if not on the shortest possible path to 1000 TPIC. You might not get hired at the dream job even with 1000 TPIC, but the answer is a definite "no" until meeting the mins.

If, hypothetically, a pilot were to survive Mesa for a year without getting fired, frustrated, furloughed, or the 1000 TPIC, wouldn't they be around to fight for block or better, commuting clause, and some other QOL improvements to go from industry lagging to industry leading? Or is fighting for something you want not allowed at the regional pilot level?

Maybe the fat girl likes it in the rear knowing she's going to be giving it in the rear soon.

 

This cracks me up. ADVICE is not making the decision for you. Everyone here is just saying what a stupid decision it is, and those that have gone before you are telling you how much they regret it. When I was in high school, I had a friend who decided to put diesel in his GAS-burning truck instead of gas because it was slightly cheaper. I ADVISED him not to, that it wouldn't work, that he'd wish he hadn't done it, blah blah blah. He didn't get very far before his engine quit and he was stuck with a costly rebuild. The point is, he had a dumb idea that he thought would work and wasn't going to listen to anyone tell him otherwise. He regrets it, ended up worse off than when he started and I'm sure if it ever came up again with someone else he'd tell them not to put diesel in a gas engine.

 

Listen I'm not making life decisions for you. Like BUR said only you can do that. But if you make the decision to go to Mesa after actually doing some due diligence on them (which its obvious you haven't) or after LISTENING, yes listening and not getting defensive when someone who worked at Mesa is trying to help you, then you're a fool.

The reason you hear things like "your lowering the bar" and "thanks for supporting the race to the bottom" is because Mesa has one of the worst pay scales in the regionals. Other companies see this and see all the wide-eyed kids out there with SJS who don't care about the pay or the qol or the contract or its management flocking to Mesa because its an easier "foot in the door" (I WAS ONE OF THEM AND REGRET IT!!!!) which gives them potent ammunition to attempt to lowball their own pilots. Its a major reason why we ALL get paid nowhere near what we should as pilots.

I'm not here to dash hopes, to "bash" Mesa wannabes or to act like an "aviation god". Just trying to focus some eyes that are otherwise like a deer in headlights with a shiny new CRJ in its sights. I know it looks MUCH more glamorous than a 172 with supposed bragging rights, but its not like your going from AAA ball to "The Show" making a move to an airline. It doesn't work that way AT ALL

 

Seniority is everything as long as its at a company worth being. If you just jump ship in a year for whatever reason, it's meaningless. You start all over again. And its that same mentality that "oh, this is just a stepping stone. I'm gonna be gone from here soon anyway why should I care about anything but growth" that will hold you back when its time to improve the contract. The company will spout off all kinds of doom and gloom about how paying more and QOL improvements will ruin the company, bring growth (and upgrades to a halt), blah blah blah. And all the noobs will run scared and vote for whatever is going to help them now. It's only a stepping stone, right?

 

I'm giving up a year seniority to leave Mesa and go to SkyWest. It will actually be more like 1.5 years if and when SkyWest starts running classes again. If I would have instructed longer I could have gone to them sooner and been building seniority with them. Just the other night I was on reserve 12am-12pm then got a call I was flying to Cincinnati at 10pm and then flying back to JFK. We ended up landing at 3 am, yes a 15 hour duty day, but I had commuted in that day so it was more like a 20 hour day. 3 hours of credit......sweet... and thanks Mesa!

 

Ask yourself a few questions:
Why Mesa is the only airline hiring now?
Why you never hear anything positive about Mesa?
Why did Mesas stock get delisted from the NASDAQ and is trading at $00.40?
Why is Mesa being sued by several airlines?
Why does Mesa have the highest turnover of Pilots in the industry?
Why Mesa does not guarantee pay for cancelled flights? If your flight gets cancelled, you do not get paid as a pilot.
Why does Mesa pay historical block only? That means if the flight pays 2 hours and it ends up being a 5 hour flight because of a meltdown at JFK, you get paid 2 hours for 5 hours of work.
Not listening to the advice of people who know is pure ignorance.

 

You know every once in a while Whiz makes a good point, therefore I'm just going to add on to it....

Whiz said on the previous page...
If you want to go to Mesa for the experience and to get your feet wet not because they fly a crj or whatever else that the previous post call SJS then go. Your tired of flight instructing and you want a new adventure so by all means go to Mesa. Now,... Here's what I will agree with... Mesa is not the top dog in the kennel however mesa is IN the KENNEL just like the rest of the DOGS(Repub, SKY WEST, ASA etc). MESA just like every other regional,.. wait I don't think I said that right... just like ever other REEEEEGIIOOONALLLLL is a STEPPING STONE to get across the POND to a GREENER PASTURE(MAJORS or UPS) so for all the wise guys on here flying E170's another SJS example and CRJ 900's Next GEN.. STEP ......... off your soap box and on to a major, and leave the guys and girls on here to their OWN Decisions... Being the Serpent in the Garden of Eden is not your job they can make their own decisions!!!