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Old 07-27-2008 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
TSA, RAH, GoJet, Mesa, XJT and AWAC will not benefit from SFO and LAX UAL flying; however they will benefit if Mesa loses ORD and IAD flying.
How do you figure?
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Old 07-27-2008 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
How do you figure?
UAL will look to just add the flying (out of LAX and SFO) to our schedule mainly due to the fact that we already have the a/c (plus all those UAL CR7NG’s scheduled for delivery about the same time the 73’s are being pulled), pilots and operations all already in place. They won't give the LAX/SFO flying to anyone else seeing that in order to do so would more than likely require an RFP plus startup cost/time/problems. So over time when UAL's cost decreases and/or yields increase along with loads, they will just place whatever their smallest, most economical mainline narrowbody back on the route (i.e. E190’s like a/c). At that point they will, without any restrictions, just pull SKW off those routes. This is the easiest, most efficient and cost effective way to remove their 73’s while maintaining a presence in certain markets until they can move back in.

They did this in the past (out of LAX and SFO) and they’ll do it as their 737’s come off line.

Now if UAL RFP’s go out for bid at someone else’s expense (Mesa) everyone else will be able to bid and will more than likely get some piece of the UAL pie in ORD and IAD but not LAX and SFO. After all; our LAX, SFO, DEN and ORD flying is under contract until 2017. BTW, the writing is on the wall……………………. just look at the opening of LAX for SKW plus UAL’s fall SFO schedule and you’ll see my proof.

I mean no offense to anybody and Good Day.

JJ

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Old 07-27-2008 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
UAL will look to just add the flying (out of LAX and SFO) to our schedule mainly due to the fact that we already have the a/c (plus all those UAL CR7NG’s scheduled for delivery about the same time the 73’s are being pulled), pilots and operations all already in place. They won't give the LAX/SFO flying to anyone else seeing that in order to do so would more than likely require an RFP plus startup cost/time/problems. So over time when UAL's cost decreases and/or yields increase along with loads, they will just place whatever their smallest, most economical mainline narrowbody back on the route (i.e. E190’s like a/c). At that point they will, without any restrictions, just pull SKW off those routes. This is the easiest, most efficient and cost effective way to remove their 73’s while maintaining a presence in certain markets until they can move back in.

They did this in the past (out of LAX and SFO) and they’ll do it as their 737’s come off line.

Now if UAL RFP’s go out for bid at someone else’s expense (Mesa) everyone else will be able to bid and will more than likely get some piece of the UAL pie in ORD and IAD but not LAX and SFO. After all; our LAX, SFO, DEN and ORD flying is under contract until 2017. BTW, the writing is on the wall……………………. just look at the opening of LAX for SKW plus UAL’s fall SFO schedule and you’ll see my proof.

I mean no offense to anybody and Good Day.

JJ
No offense taken. Just wondering what your line of reasoning was. It sounds reasonable on the face of it. But if what you say is true of SFO and LAX, why wouldn't it be true of IAD or even ORD?
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Old 07-27-2008 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyWestPilot1
Who do you work for?
Who are you asking?
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Old 07-27-2008 | 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
UAL will look to just add the flying (out of LAX and SFO) to our schedule mainly due to the fact that we already have the a/c (plus all those UAL CR7NG’s scheduled for delivery about the same time the 73’s are being pulled), pilots and operations all already in place. They won't give the LAX/SFO flying to anyone else seeing that in order to do so would more than likely require an RFP plus startup cost/time/problems. So over time when UAL's cost decreases and/or yields increase along with loads, they will just place whatever their smallest, most economical mainline narrowbody back on the route (i.e. E190’s like a/c). At that point they will, without any restrictions, just pull SKW off those routes. This is the easiest, most efficient and cost effective way to remove their 73’s while maintaining a presence in certain markets until they can move back in.

They did this in the past (out of LAX and SFO) and they’ll do it as their 737’s come off line.

Now if UAL RFP’s go out for bid at someone else’s expense (Mesa) everyone else will be able to bid and will more than likely get some piece of the UAL pie in ORD and IAD but not LAX and SFO. After all; our LAX, SFO, DEN and ORD flying is under contract until 2017. BTW, the writing is on the wall……………………. just look at the opening of LAX for SKW plus UAL’s fall SFO schedule and you’ll see my proof.

I mean no offense to anybody and Good Day.

JJ
Let's just hope UAL is in business this time next year. From some buddies who have not much time left over there it seems the mood is to take the place down in a ball of flames with em...I wouldnt make any bets or guarantees on SKYW or anyones longterm future with UAL...PanAm, Eastern, TWA...I dunno...not trying to start a flame fest, but, It's looking pretty nasty
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Old 07-28-2008 | 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by gsphuntr
Let's just hope UAL is in business this time next year. From some buddies who have not much time left over there it seems the mood is to take the place down in a ball of flames with em...I wouldnt make any bets or guarantees on SKYW or anyones longterm future with UAL...PanAm, Eastern, TWA...I dunno...not trying to start a flame fest, but, It's looking pretty nasty
UAL isn't Dunkin Donuts, it's collapse will mean disaster for many in this country and around the world. I doubt it will come to that especially with oil stabilizing a little. Just like 911 they'll have to cut back on routes and place RJs where needed. As with this deal, I suspect 70+ seaters will probably have more demand for additional flying therefore some of the regional may be out of luck. By the way what's happening with Mesa and UA, I thought UA was looking to terminate Mesa.

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Old 07-28-2008 | 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by gsphuntr
Let's just hope UAL is in business this time next year. From some buddies who have not much time left over there it seems the mood is to take the place down in a ball of flames with em...I wouldnt make any bets or guarantees on SKYW or anyones longterm future with UAL...PanAm, Eastern, TWA...I dunno...not trying to start a flame fest, but, It's looking pretty nasty
Yes UAL's future is a bit uncertain but I'm sure that they will be consumed with another airline if they start to fall hard.
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Old 07-28-2008 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by duvie
I disagree with you. I believe there was an United RFP sent out earlier this year which SKW didn't receive. Shuttle, AWAC, GoJets, XJT and others were bidding on what appeared to be mesa flying.

From all the rumors I've heard (which obviously are just rumors) we have as big a chunk of United flying as we're going to get.

I was asking Duvie who he worked for.
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Old 07-28-2008 | 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyWestPilot1
I was asking Duvie who he worked for.
I'm pretty sure Duvie is also a "Jerry's Kid" (SKWer).
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Old 07-28-2008 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by BURflyer
By the way what's happening with Mesa and UA, I thought UA was looking to terminate Mesa.
No news around here in regards to UAL. Business as usual. Cancellations are down, loads are high. I haven't flown with an empty seat in about 3 weeks.

Hopefully nothing changes, and those of us with jobs are able to keep them.
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