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Old 10-05-2008 | 09:45 PM
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I don't know about the rest of you - but I'm on the hair trigger to walk away from this biz - and I don't want anyone to lose their job but the attitude of either cave to their demands or shut it down is what put our profession down to the level of making less than most unskilled labor. Its a fact that there is an over capacity (when it comes to people out there that can and will pay for what a ticket SHOULD be). There ought to be some cuts and companys that go away to correct this and bring back some sanity to being profitable and giving us our due. - aviation is expensive no matter how you look at it - after spending the time/money/personal sacrifices I think we ought to be paid a professional wage or shut it down. Its sad that I'd be taking a pay cut moving from flying a greasy old chieftain thats older than I am to flying a 70 seat RJ. unless I get a decent offer or things turn around in another year or so I think I'll have to punch out. Skyhigh may have been far more correct/realistic than we really want to give him credit for.
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Old 10-05-2008 | 10:02 PM
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Inflation is projected to go through the roof over the next couple of years and we're talking about pay CUTS? An absolute shame..
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Old 10-05-2008 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ebl14
So you expect thier pilots to quit the second they hear their comapny is expanding... You think everyone should throw their jobs on the line to raise the bar until its you. I think you, tpersuit, are the one with the excuses.... too bad for you guys over there at XJT.

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Originally Posted by The Juice
You have no idea how a free market society works do you? Do you really think in your head that those companies listed by you would think "we could try and grow our company by picking up more flying for CAL but we do not want to upset XJet." Please!
Thanks for the support. I'm glad you see why we really have to lower our pay 2.8%. At least the 2nd year FO's will get their longevity raise.
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Old 10-05-2008 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Phuz
Inflation is projected to go through the roof over the next couple of years and we're talking about pay CUTS? An absolute shame..
Should be talking about raises, not paycuts. Unbelievable.

Like the wages arent low enough.. only in aviation..
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Old 10-05-2008 | 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy8784
A paycut will hurt to you guys will end up hurting us all
FYI, if this LOA is ratified, 50 seat captain rates will still be at the top (I think Eagle will be higher for the first year) and FO rates will be in the top third.

Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
Skywest has the best contract around. I'd take it in a heartbeat over anyone's.
What 'contract' are you talking about?
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Old 10-05-2008 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by stoki
Should be talking about raises, not paycuts. Unbelievable.

Like the wages arent low enough.. only in aviation..
If you look at how we got to this point, it wouldn't be a shocker to you. If most of the other regionals didn't surpass us, this was a direct result. We have to cut $35 million in labor costs to try and get back to cost neutral.
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Old 10-05-2008 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
FYI, if this LOA is ratified, 50 seat captain rates will still be at the top (I think Eagle will be higher for the first year) and FO rates will be in the top third.
Which are STILL too low.

You can't possibly strip regional pilots of more, when they are bare-ass naked already.
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Old 10-05-2008 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tpersuit
If you look at how we got to this point, it wouldn't be a shocker to you. If most of the other regionals didn't surpass us, this was a direct result. We have to cut $35 million in labor costs to try and get back to cost neutral.
We as in XJT guys, or us as regional guys?

I don't see why its always labor that should pay for managements urgent need for cash flow. They get paid the big bucks to make things work, not to cut their employees pay everytime the going gets tough. I'm posting in general btw, not exclusive to XJT.
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Old 10-05-2008 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by stoki
We as in XJT guys, or us as regional guys?

I don't see why its always labor that should pay for managements urgent need for cash flow. They get paid the big bucks to make things work, not to cut their employees pay everytime the going gets tough. I'm posting in general btw, not exclusive to XJT.
I couldn't agree with you more. However, I don't think our management really wanted to do this. The good thing is we keep all the work rules and don't drop that nice 401K 100% match and 2.5% contribution. For some reason some guys think I am ripping on them as pilots when I mention their airline. However, I am rooting for them to get their raises.

I think we should be talking about pay raises, but we have no leverage right now. Just wait another 2-3 years, then it will get good for all of us in this industry. The shortage will happen, it was just delayed.
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Old 10-06-2008 | 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mccube5
They dont have a choice but to give in, unless youre willing to shut it down.
You do realize that pilot pay is 1% of the big picture right?

DON'T run scared.

take a stand, it's not worth it..you WONT get it back easily EVER!

Look at what has happened to Comair, Cut's freezes..NOTHING has come back..promises of growth and airplanes and NOTHING has happened but more cuts and threats and now furloughs.

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