Yes I have we'll call it a verbal agreement if you'd like. Either way I like it more and would like to see it here at RAH. You have a contract but yet still take a cut. Hrmmmmm. Better bash those who haven't!

 

Read it again, I wasn't bashing them. Just pointing out the difference between having a "handbook" and an actual contract.

You are a little bit fuzzy on the facts. We haven't taken the cut yet.

And I'm still waiting. Keep searching my 1900+ posts and tell me WHERE I said I'd rather be out of a job than take a cut. Like I said, I'm curious if I ACTUALLY said that, or it's just something you "swear" to have seen.

 

I don't really care.

 

Actually I think it would be 3.75, because that would always equal the maximum days you can possible work. Minimum days off is 11 days, which equals 19 days of work. Since our minimum monthly guarantee is 75 hours, 75/19 =3.9 hrs/day. Anymore days off in the line would raise the minimum day pay. Everything is mostly built around that 3.75 number. The 2 hours a day pay you refer to is part of the trip, which when mixed in with every other day for the month has to get raised to 75 hours minimum anyways. Its there to prevent getting paid more than the 15 hour 4-day max that they have to give you if your 4-day has less than 15 hours of credit.

Incorrect again. The company has a match plan and a contribution plan. This is huge mistake pilots don't realize. The match is 4%-6%, depending on longevity, at 100% of what 4-6% you put in. Then, the company also contributes an additional amount to your 401K that has no bearing on what you put in. It is a 2.5% contribution and goes up to 6% for people more senior. 20 year senority equals you putting in 6%, company matches 6% and then gives you another 6% = 18% total that goes into your 401K. It's called a A Plan and B Plan. Re-read that part of the contract.

 

You said it, shut it down. If enough suits end up on the streets with the pilots they will realize they can't pull this crap and get away with it any more. There are a lot of X-jet guys out there talking a lot of poop, time to see if they are willing to stand in it and protect that industry leading contract.

For the rest of you not talking poop I am sorry it has come to this for you. There are MANY great people at X-jet. Good luck.

 

Actually, its a lot higher than that at XJT. Especially considering that XJT only pays wages, maintenance, and overhead as part of the new CPA.

Just pointing out that its not a contract. That is why they are "at-will" employees.

Keep in mind that XJT had a gun to their head when signing on the dotted line. It was give CAL "savings on the magnitude..." or lose all CAL flying with the wind down starting in 365 days.

You assume it will go into chapter 11 and not chapter 7. The fear is that at some point the hedge funds that own most of the stock will just want to shut it down and cash out whatever money is left over.

Well, no, not at a loss because they were asking for 12-16% concession from the pilots. Who knows what they had in store for the other union groups.

Are you talking about union dues? If so, keep in mind that not everyone pays the 1.95% dues. First year pilots don't and many that do get an income tax deduction from it. So the effective dues rate is lower for many pilots.

Also, that 1.95% kept all the pilots from taking the 12-16% pay cut that SKW would have implemented without negotiations.

I beleive Eagle captains will make more for the first year and then XJT captains will go back to the top. As for FOs, they will still be in the top third. AWA is the only ones who currently pay more than XJT.

Even if this gets ratified, it will still be close to a industry leading contract for 50 seat aircraft.

 

Good points as usual. Keep note I was making examples not showing opinion.

 

Well then you shouldn't have bothered engaging in the debate when you didn't know what you are talking about.

Especially when you wrote you "swore" I said something, when I didn't.

 

Guys, I am not really sure what I am going to vote, but look around, we are in TROUBLE. The economy is TANKING, Fuel is going to go up again, mark my word and unfortunately our company is not using creative accounting. We have lost MILLIONS of DOLLARS with Branded & Delta and our BOD signed a deal with CAL that loses money!. The BOD says they had a gun to their head and I believe it, CAL was more then willing to take the a/c back and pawn them off to whomever. There is no way our management will be taking bonuses or pay increases unless we get all of our money back first. Our works rules which are some of the best ones around will not be touched, as well as our 401k contribution, vacation etc........ When its all said and done it will be apprx $160/paycheck for CA, roughly half that for FO's a month. If you want to "stand tall" and vote no, go ahead and vote no but just remember in BK the judge will DESTROY our contract, both pay and work rules. I have learned that a lot of people can talk (including myself) but when faced with BK you consider your options, negotiate the best you can and either vote yes or no.

For those who tell us to "burn it down" Ill expect the same response from you when your company comes looking, and I bet they will ask for more then our company is. It is unfortunate that we are in this situation but it is what it is and we all need to make a decision.

Everyone wants us to "hold the bar" and vote no, well where were you guys when we asked you to "raise the bar"?, was it when you opted to fly larger jets/turbo-props for low pay, or was it when you voted no to a Union? Was it when you guys were telling our crews that "we will own you" during our SkyWest debacle?, or is it when you are willing to fly 170s with MidWest passengers in the back?
These comments are for those in the past the twist the knife, and I know I am guilty of it too but this whole thing has really brought me down a notch and I apologize for the arrogance and ignorance in some cases....

I try not to post opinion on here anymore (tired of getting flack for it) but until your faced with it (BK).........or until you "walk in someone's shoes" be cognoscente of the fact that we may not have a choice, and its either take a cut on our terms, or take a cut on their terms..........

 

I didn't engage in a debate. I said I like the setup over at skywest. You tried to make it a debate. Congrats on all the benign issues!