XJT Paycut
10-06-2008 | 10:27 AM
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Yeah that's my argument. You do know what an actual contract is, don't you?
So I guess you would also like where they flew 70/90 seat equipment for 50 seat rates because management needed it, right? Sounds like a paycut.
Actually, never mind that one. You do know they agreed to an 18 month pay freeze a while back because management needed it, right? Again, sounds like a paycut.
How long did that 18 month pay freeze last by the way? What legal recourse did they have to lift that 18 (36) month pay freeze?
Don't get pi$$y just because you don't know the difference between an actual contract and a "handbook".
So I guess you would also like where they flew 70/90 seat equipment for 50 seat rates because management needed it, right? Sounds like a paycut.
Actually, never mind that one. You do know they agreed to an 18 month pay freeze a while back because management needed it, right? Again, sounds like a paycut.
How long did that 18 month pay freeze last by the way? What legal recourse did they have to lift that 18 (36) month pay freeze?
Don't get pi$$y just because you don't know the difference between an actual contract and a "handbook".
? Work rules and benefits, such as the stock plan, are great things. We'll be pushing for those at RAH.
10-06-2008 | 10:33 AM
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Was that English?
So, if you take a pay freeze for 3 years, with inflation how much is that frozen amount worth at the end of 3 years? Sounds kinda like a cut.
I may have said that. There's tons of people that say that. But our XJT's are not being touched.
So, if you take a pay freeze for 3 years, with inflation how much is that frozen amount worth at the end of 3 years? Sounds kinda like a cut.
I may have said that. There's tons of people that say that. But our XJT's are not being touched.
10-06-2008 | 10:37 AM
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10-06-2008 | 10:41 AM
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10-06-2008 | 10:46 AM
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Don't get pi$$y just because you don't know the difference between an actual pay freeze and a "pay cut". <--don't mind if borrow a line.
10-06-2008 | 10:51 AM
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It's a 3yr pay freeze. Inflation is a variable that is not within the control of the company. At current rates a 5yr XJT CA makes $69. At 6yr he's making $72. That means he's taking a paycut of about $3.50 right now! Oh wait that's just because of inflation which changes and can't be accounted for hence why contracts are renegotiated ever so many years.
I'd like to know what world you live in where inflation is going to go down.
And just so you know, there are a TON of things that are not within the control of the company, not just inflation. Besides, longevity/annual contractual raises are for the inflation factors. The reason contracts are negotiated every so many years if for way more reasons than that alone.
I'm still waiting for a VALID argument out of you that says a pay freeze isn't a pay cut.
10-06-2008 | 10:56 AM
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I am now a 3rd year F/O, I will only be taking a pay cut of what I WOULD OF HAD if the pay where to remain the same. I will actually be getting a raise (albeit a very small one) every year. It work's out that 2nd and 3rd year F/O's take the least hit initially. Work rules have not been touched, and management can not take any bonuses or pay raises unless we get ALL OF OUR MONEY BACK. Still puts us at the top of the list compensation wise, Eagle & Willy I believe are above........
10-06-2008 | 10:58 AM
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I see, so inflation is going to go down, hence somebody taking a pay freeze isn't taking a cut.
I'd like to know what world you live in where inflation is going to go down.
And just so you know, there are a TON of things that are not within the control of the company, not just inflation. Besides, longevity/annual contractual raises are for the inflation factors. The reason contracts are negotiated every so many years if for way more reasons than that alone.
I'd like to know what world you live in where inflation is going to go down.
And just so you know, there are a TON of things that are not within the control of the company, not just inflation. Besides, longevity/annual contractual raises are for the inflation factors. The reason contracts are negotiated every so many years if for way more reasons than that alone.
10-06-2008 | 11:00 AM
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I am now a 3rd year F/O, I will only be taking a pay cut of what I WOULD OF HAD if the pay where to remain the same. I will actually be getting a raise (albeit a very small one) every year. It work's out that 2nd and 3rd year F/O's take the least hit initially. Work rules have not been touched, and management can not take any bonuses or pay raises unless we get ALL OF OUR MONEY BACK. Still puts us at the top of the list compensation wise, Eagle & Willy I believe are above........
10-06-2008 | 11:05 AM
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And yep, I'm about to take a cut. Have I argued contrary to that point here anywhere? Please, show me where I have
Can you show me where I said that? I'm just curious if that's what I've ACTUALLY said, or just something you've "sworn" to have read me type before.
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