American Eagle hiring minimums
10-11-2008 | 06:24 PM
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10-13-2008 | 12:38 PM
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In the late eighties and into the early-to-mid nineties this was the norm. In fact, it was rare to find a CFI in the early 1990's who left a flight school with less than 1500 hours.
If one wanted a job flying cancelled checks in a light twin, then that person had to have at a MINIMUM 1200/200. Realistically it was the person with an ATP who got the job and probably had closer to 500 multi.
One may ask why that person didn't apply to a regional if they had that much experience. Because the commuters (as they were known then) didn't even acknowledge your resume unless you had 2000 - 2500 TT with at least 500 - 1000 ME. And that was just to get into the right seat of a Brasilia or a an ATR! Want PIC time? The upgrade was at least 2-3 years. And just about every major had people on furlough and nobody seemed to be hiring.
That is more what normal is. Getting hired right out of flight school and into the right seat of a jet is not the normal scenario. In fact, those days will probably never return.
If one wanted a job flying cancelled checks in a light twin, then that person had to have at a MINIMUM 1200/200. Realistically it was the person with an ATP who got the job and probably had closer to 500 multi.
One may ask why that person didn't apply to a regional if they had that much experience. Because the commuters (as they were known then) didn't even acknowledge your resume unless you had 2000 - 2500 TT with at least 500 - 1000 ME. And that was just to get into the right seat of a Brasilia or a an ATR! Want PIC time? The upgrade was at least 2-3 years. And just about every major had people on furlough and nobody seemed to be hiring.
That is more what normal is. Getting hired right out of flight school and into the right seat of a jet is not the normal scenario. In fact, those days will probably never return.
I'm not saying I don't think people should be able to fly airliners with 250TT, but let's face it... Some DO very well, but can't teach worth a s h 1 t...
10-25-2008 | 09:26 AM
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From: Comm. AMEL/ASEL, Inst., CFI/CFII/MEI - Seeking Employment
Hey everyone, I'm a little late in replying to the thread (lots of stress & studying), but I wanted to thank everyone for their two cents (which ended up being a couple of bucks). 
Quick update: I finished the Commercial multi checkride and am currently at 212 hours total (120 multi). I'm starting CFI training in just a couple of days after a delay due to family issues I had to go home for. Some of the advice I've gotten from a lot of you has helped me to change my perspective. I really do think I'm going to enjoy instructing, and I'm looking forward to it. As one of you said, it's best to learn every rung of the ladder in detail, and that's what instructing is going to help reinforce.
In reply to "captain152", ATP has a fantastic training programme. The syllabus is set up to give you the most multi time and your ratings in the quickest amount of time, no B.S.. The only negative thing I can say about it is that it's a business BEFORE it's a flight school, though students are treated like military recruits rather than customers. That really upsets me, but aside from that it serves its purpose in getting a student through in 5-6 months for something that would typically take a few years.
As far as airline hiring goes, naturally I want to get in as quickly as possible - who doesn't? I'm not afraid to take on the work it will require to get there. There's something I've noticed something from my school's CFIs as a group: there are those who are obviously there simply to build time (it shows in their attitudes and laziness), and those who truly love instructing and put their all into teaching someone how to be the best pilot possible. I choose to be the latter. I'm just as eagerly ambitious as anybody (if not more) to want to get in the right seat of an RJ, but while I'm in the right seat of a SkyHawk or Seminole, I'm going to be the best flight instructor I know how to be.
Learning never stops.
Thanks again, everyone.
Quick update: I finished the Commercial multi checkride and am currently at 212 hours total (120 multi). I'm starting CFI training in just a couple of days after a delay due to family issues I had to go home for. Some of the advice I've gotten from a lot of you has helped me to change my perspective. I really do think I'm going to enjoy instructing, and I'm looking forward to it. As one of you said, it's best to learn every rung of the ladder in detail, and that's what instructing is going to help reinforce.
In reply to "captain152", ATP has a fantastic training programme. The syllabus is set up to give you the most multi time and your ratings in the quickest amount of time, no B.S.. The only negative thing I can say about it is that it's a business BEFORE it's a flight school, though students are treated like military recruits rather than customers. That really upsets me, but aside from that it serves its purpose in getting a student through in 5-6 months for something that would typically take a few years.
As far as airline hiring goes, naturally I want to get in as quickly as possible - who doesn't? I'm not afraid to take on the work it will require to get there. There's something I've noticed something from my school's CFIs as a group: there are those who are obviously there simply to build time (it shows in their attitudes and laziness), and those who truly love instructing and put their all into teaching someone how to be the best pilot possible. I choose to be the latter. I'm just as eagerly ambitious as anybody (if not more) to want to get in the right seat of an RJ, but while I'm in the right seat of a SkyHawk or Seminole, I'm going to be the best flight instructor I know how to be.
Learning never stops.
Thanks again, everyone.
10-25-2008 | 11:17 AM
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So you went to ATP? I've been looking at that place for a while... The price has gotten so high over the past 3 years tho. Dutch wings would run me about 25 - 30 grand (Safety pilot time mostly I believe), whereas ATP costs 57 grand... But with much more multi time... That's a huge price difference...
10-25-2008 | 06:05 PM
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I agree...7L after reading most of your posts, it sounds like you got your head on right and you'll do just fine. As always remembe aviation is a small buisness so its always a good idea to put your best effort. You never know when that former student may be on a hiring board at a major/fedex/fractional/(insert a heavily desired job here).
10-26-2008 | 02:00 PM
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Hey everyone, my first post here. I've read through this entire thread and have found it very informative, insightful and entertaining. I am currently a flight student at Arizona State University's flight program. I'm also excited about flight instructing someday. I look forward to gaining more insight from all the pros here.
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