Did you learn that at emory dribble?

 

OMG great comeback. You go around spreading false information and someone corrects you so you turn around and make fun of him. Thats so funny. Its ok to admit that you were wrong.

 

I was wrong about NYSE but not about the info. A gojet pilot doesn't have a lot of money to dabble with stocks. On a second thought though.. I could probably afford more of Mesa stock.

 

So who'd JO buy off to prevent de-listing? They've been < $1.00 since May and they're still on there. Circuit City comes along, takes a nose dive, and is de-listed a month before they declare bankruptcy.

 

Mesa pilots wanted it and got it.

Don't feel sorry for them, harrass them or listen to any complaints or rationalization in the future. They freely chose their existance and sadly it appears a set of kneepads will be issued to all, but thankfully they will match their backboards, so at least they'll be color coordinated.

Xin Loi boys and girls.........what a depressing trip to work it will be for many a year to come. Don't blame J.O., payroll or scheduling, this is ENTIRELY self-inflicted.

 

Make no mistake, I am not whining. I am expressing my disappointment in my fellow MAG pilots. There is a big, big difference.

You speak of not separating pilots and uniting everyone, then you refer to E.R. as "emory dribble."

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That's a shame. I really didn't think you guys would buy JO's hype.

Stockholm syndrome?

 

Dude,

I for one, don't look for sympathy but would rather have support from other pilot groups. I don't see this kind of post as constructive. All the Mesa bashing does nothing to help except reveal your ignorance. I would bet that most of the pilots bashing this decision don't know a whole lot about the negotiations, the contract we came from or the contract we are going to.

I work at Mesa and fully engaged myself in this TA process by reading all the ALPA emails and documents, talking to my peers, attending road shows and conference calls. Even with all that work I was not privy to all the intricacies of the negotitaions. I don't know how someone like you can get on your high horse and criticise because I'll bet you don't have all the facts.

True I feel let down by my fellow Mesa pilots. I do think we could have gotten more, but obviously I was in the minority. Nobody knows, not even you Eaglefly, at this point if ALPA have unknowingly mislead the pilot group. No matter what anybody says I do think our MEC does have the Mesa pilot groups best interests at heart.

Did you know that part of the strategy behind this two year contract stated in the roadshows was to time our negotiations in 2010 to match up with ALPA negotiations at 12 other ALPA carriers including 6 other regional carriers as well as have a more favourable democratic government? The thought process is that perhaps ALPA could collectively bargain for all these regional carriers together thus being stronger together then each individually. The 6 regional carriers in question were Air Wisconsin, ASA, Comair, Eagle, Express Jet and Mesaba. The ALPA theory is that we selflesly take a low ball contract for 2 years for the greater good of all regional carriers opening up negotiations in 2010.

Sure I think this is spin doctoring which is a reason why I voted no, but nobody is going to know if it will work until 2010. If it works in 2010 our MEC and ALPA will be thought of as geniuses.

I just hope our NC was correct in its strategy and only time will tell. In the mean time I'm a glass is half full kind of guy and will work with what we have.

More people with attitudes like Positive_Rate is what is needed around here. Thanks for the good wishes P_R.

 

Wow, never heard of this before, you mean to tell me people were voting based on what is going to happen 2 to 4 years from now?? How about the fact that in 2010 or 12 other bottom feeding managements like TSA look at the mesa ta in 2008? HOw does that help. It's called being a bottom feeder and they will ALWAYS be a bottom feeder, even in 2010, and with the help the 2008 pilots have given JO, there will be NO stopping him. This time there weren't any threats of job losses or concessions and it was still voted IN! JO must be overwhelmed at the stupidity of his pilots. What makes you think JO will give you anything 2 years from now? Mesa has had absolutely no problem working with a bottom feeding contract while most other airlines have had block or better, duty rigs, better work rules. All while lying to everyone that they had a happy workforce and one of the highest paid CRJ pilots. What makes you think they won't continue the same even when EVERY other regional contract will be superior in 2010 and beyond?? This was the best and only chance for Mesa pilots to get something since they had no guns pointed to their heads and no actual jobs were on the line, only theoretical. We know you are not the problem Airfix, but mesa airline pilots have spoken.

 

YOU can't seriously be saying this. I agree that this TA was a bad thing for the industry as a whole, but there is nothing more directly hurting TSA pilots than the GoJet contract. How can we possibly ask for a raise when you are only making $2-5 more than we are?

Why on God's green earth would Hulas agree to pay us more when our "brothers" at IBT got GoJet pilots to agree to that BS contract you have?

"Hmm, I could pay the TSA guys more or give more flying to GJ....which should I do?" Is there any other holding company out there that can DIRECTLY funnel flying from one SENIORITY LIST to another?

All I'm saying is that you have absolutely no leg to stand on when it comes to "I wouldn't have voted for this" or "i would stand up for that". YOU went to GoJet!

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