Mesa TA passes
#41
So, when do we get ACARS up and running for the scheduled vs actual pay? For the record I voted NO and I have the reciept!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALso dont forget to taxi and fly SLOW! Lets get our raise one way or the other!
Last edited by hdale; 12-10-2008 at 01:05 PM. Reason: Added the last sentence.
#42
Many think there will be re-assigning done during these calls, however ALPA and the company signed an LOA regarding the company's ability to do that.
#43
I've been trying to get on the hub but I've been unable due to not receiving the registration email. I've emailed the web master about it but progress has been slow.
I think I read a post by Sniper saying that we should not blame ALPA for this decision and I have to agree with his logic because we voted in the representatives and the whole thing was a democratic process. However our NC and ALPA MEC that sent this TA to the pilots for ratification, i believe, sold us short.
What we needed was/is pilot group unification. This TA has just cleft the pilot group in two. ALPA, the NC and our MEC could have unified our pilot group by sending an agreement that they were SURE would been approved by 90%+ of our group. Yet they chose not to do that apparently because they did not have 'negotiating capitol'.
Perhaps the better strategy would have been to send out the first TA which IIRC was turned down by the MEC for ratification because it was too awful. That way the pilot group would be compelled to land slide a 'NO' vote, show unity and strength and then have the NC go back with some more 'negotiating capitol' i.e. the pilot group unification.
Anyway enough of the Monday morning quarter back for me. It is what it is. Now we have to make the best of it, unify the pilot group, work the contract to our best advantage and be very sure about the gains we need in 2010.
The new guys that voted yes will learn over the next couple of years if it was a mistake or not. I just hope they can learn from their mistakes. What was it that bush said:
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
I think I read a post by Sniper saying that we should not blame ALPA for this decision and I have to agree with his logic because we voted in the representatives and the whole thing was a democratic process. However our NC and ALPA MEC that sent this TA to the pilots for ratification, i believe, sold us short.
What we needed was/is pilot group unification. This TA has just cleft the pilot group in two. ALPA, the NC and our MEC could have unified our pilot group by sending an agreement that they were SURE would been approved by 90%+ of our group. Yet they chose not to do that apparently because they did not have 'negotiating capitol'.
Perhaps the better strategy would have been to send out the first TA which IIRC was turned down by the MEC for ratification because it was too awful. That way the pilot group would be compelled to land slide a 'NO' vote, show unity and strength and then have the NC go back with some more 'negotiating capitol' i.e. the pilot group unification.
Anyway enough of the Monday morning quarter back for me. It is what it is. Now we have to make the best of it, unify the pilot group, work the contract to our best advantage and be very sure about the gains we need in 2010.
The new guys that voted yes will learn over the next couple of years if it was a mistake or not. I just hope they can learn from their mistakes. What was it that bush said:
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
#44
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The new guys that voted yes will learn over the next couple of years if it was a mistake or not. I just hope they can learn from their mistakes. What was it that bush said:
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
The new guys that voted yes will learn over the next couple of years if it was a mistake or not. I just hope they can learn from their mistakes. What was it that bush said:
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
#45
What's probably the most ironic is that those junior guys(in ORD, IAD and what ever crappy junior base Mesa has as well as the junior CAs) that I am assuming are the only ones who voted yes are going to be the first guys furloughed or downgraded soon when Mesa refocuses on ways to make money. Mesa is now officially the lowest regional out there, it's officially confirmed with this TA.
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Congratulations, MESA! Thank ALPA for the hard work.
#48
What's probably the most ironic is that those junior guys(in ORD, IAD and what ever crappy junior base Mesa has as well as the junior CAs) that I am assuming are the only ones who voted yes are going to be the first guys furloughed or downgraded soon when Mesa refocuses on ways to make money. Mesa is now officially the lowest regional out there, it's officially confirmed with this TA. You guys should prodcue 1500 I voted NO Mesa 400 stickers because all 1500 pilots will ask for it, that's the kind of place mesa is.
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