Here is how I think it went. The older guys that voted No, voted out of fear of losing their jobs or they 'think' PBS is going to be better for them. The newer guys that have never worked in a corporation before, listened to our leadership (ALPA) who are our elected officials who told them to vote for the TA. Sure I think a lot of the naive people believed ALPA when they said we will get it ALL next time. Then there was the camp that though it's better than what have we now so lets just do it.

Our ALPA leaders did a pretty good sales job on this whole thing. However the truth of the pudding will be in the eating. You can't tell me the ALPA strategy will not work. What would happen in 2 or 3 years time if we did get industry leading contracts for those 6 carriers? Would you still criticise Mesa guys for being bottom feeders for their 08 contract or commend our ALPA leadership in their negotiating strategy?

Yeah okay I know it is a big 'what if' scenario but give the slagging off a break. ALPA acted in what they believe is our best interests, the people that voted yes did so because they truly believed it was the right thing to do. Nobody in the Mesa pilot group voted for this TA with the logic "if I vote for this TA then I will continue to be underpaid thus Mesa's operating costs can be the lowest in the industry and JO can steal contracts from the noses of other more expensive regional carriers."

It was a yes vote because the majority of Mesa pilots believed it to be the best contract we can get right now. End of story.

 

Quote from BURflyer, "Mesa has had absolutely no problem working with a bottom feeding contract while most other airlines have had block or better, duty rigs, better work rules. All while lying to everyone that they had a happy workforce and one of the highest paid CRJ pilots."

No we suffered through this crap because we were able to recapture the Freedom A listers and integrate them on to one pilot seniority list, not to mention have language in that crappy cba to prevent our management from ever creating an alter ego airline.

From the current contract Section 1 Paragraph B: Scope

The company shall not create or acquire an "alter ego" to avoid the terms and conditions of this agreement!

Thats straight from the CBA. Hopefully the TSA guys will be able to do the same without the sacrifice, and hopefully BURflyer it happens soon! Maybe that will humble you.

None of this is an excuse for what happened today, it should have defeated hands down.

 

I don't want to get into it, it's no use. look at the past GJ threads if you need some satisfaction. As I've stated before I play the game, I don't make the rules. We have no control over management other than the form of a TA vote to actually change anything. GJ is a job, just like any other, there are worse things that actually affect people than GJ. Whining on these threads about past management actions aren't going to help you accomplish anything. You can't make someone not take a job but you can help them better their profession.

 

You are a walking contradiction.

 

Agreed.

What is worse I talked to 2 of my ground school class mates in the 'NO' camp that never voted. I wonder what the true majority of the Mesa pilots thought?

Is there anything us 'no' voters can do or should be doing other than wear pointless 'I'm in the 400 club' stickers?

Don't get me wrong about the stickers they would be amusing but still quite pointless for reasons stated earlier in this thread.

 

Of course you don't want to discuss it BURflyer. Hell you have to try and beat up on Mesa pilots for putting a stop on scum sucking undercutters like you and when you get caught, the only defense you have is to start insulting Riddle.

At least Mesa pilots aren't embarrassed to show their badges.

I'll laugh hard the day that Hulas decides to whipsaw you guys. Enjoy that right seat in that shiny CRJ. You're going to be there a while.

 

I may have a few of my 'No dues for Hughes' stickers lying around still...The more things change the more they remain the same.

 

There is NOTHING that affects TSAALPA's negotiating power than the fact that people are willing to go to GJ.


What about when not taking the job helps their profession?

(change your position under your avatar)

 

Maybe he means his soul...

 

People will go to whom ever is hiring, no one except for you look at union contract negotiations to determine where to go. Except for the hand full of the 05 guys some of whom have moved on, most are union supporters at GJ, they like the place and it isn't any worse than any other regional. Most have nothing to do with TSA 05 and frankly do not care. You're talking about something that is meaningless and won't get you anywhere. If what you are saying is true that GJ is willing to fly cheaper and are hampering your negotiations, then Hulas would have transfered all of TSA to GJ yesterday. GJ is separate from TSA, separate union and separate contract. Instead of hating, do something constructive like trying to gain some positive relation with your management. There is something seriously wrong when it takes almost 3 years to negotiate a crappy regional contract, you might want to hire the Mesa mec to speed things along.