ˇRevolución!
02-22-2009 | 11:39 AM
#31
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Seeing as the last 4-5 fatal accidents in the US were regional’s…
It’s not gonna take long before some chucklehead at the associated press puts two and two together and figures out this common thread. Right or wrong the assumption is going to be made that experience/sully = miracle on Hudson. Not so much experience/regional bob = the above. If done right we could take advantage of the media firestorm.
I think 60 minutes might be interested in doing a little special about working conditions at our esteemed carriers. We all know the flying public thinks we're living high on the hog, hell my own best friends thought I was making $80,000 (well I do, every 3 years). A little a media attention and public outrage would go a long way in our fight against the man. Hit john q public with a little john stossel reporting about our lack of training (icing) lack of sleep (reduced rest) lack of pay (less than a bus driver) and all the associated conditions that directly affect performance.
When the flying public gets on a CRJ/ERJ that says United on it, they have little clue we aren’t United pilots and almost zero clue that they’re flying on Skywest, Mesa, GoJets, TSA, Shuttle America, etc... If they knew about the substandard training, maintenance, and potentially unsafe QOL of the pilots (that’s associated with regional carriers) there could be serious hell to pay. If it was only known how cheaply, substandard, and barely reaching FARs a good majority of these companies are run... oh man! And how jackass' like JO are livin the highlife while the foot soldiers that are responsible for hundreds of thousands of lives are palming first class boxes and bottles of water from the plane so they can eat. dude, chaos!!!
I truly believe organizations such as ALPA and RAA primarily exist just to feed themselves. Yeah, ALPA helps us but in the end do they really care about the regionals? Look no further than our awesome quality of life for that answer. What I see on these forums are more than just pilots. I see economic and business gurus, graphic designers, web designers, public relations personalities, and people with heart that truly care… absolutely everything that one needs to go grass roots.
When that waste of space marion blakey sabotaged the QOL and pay for the controllers they launched the Fair FAA and Fly US Safe campaigns and from what I’ve heard they have been quite successful. The total eradication of the BS two tiered pay scale system is on the horizon. Granted a lot of this was financed by NATCA, which in my humble opinion is a lot stronger union. Perhaps some pressure needs to be placed on ours as ALPA is wayyy outta touch with our regional reality.
I see websites, media attention, flight cases with Che Guevara’esk stickers (sub che for a dude in a pilot’s uniform). Maybe I’m crazy but if we even put half the attention that we give *****ing and blaming on these forums into fighting the man we could really make a change.
I even see it as a way to honor our brothers and sisters at Colgan, Comair, etc…
I'm naive, Blast away…
- Colgan – undetermined (potentially icing and lack of icing recognition/recovery training)
- Comair – fatigue, bad crm, checklist procedures
- Corporate Airways – fatigue, bad crm, checklist procedures
- Air Midwest - maintenance
It’s not gonna take long before some chucklehead at the associated press puts two and two together and figures out this common thread. Right or wrong the assumption is going to be made that experience/sully = miracle on Hudson. Not so much experience/regional bob = the above. If done right we could take advantage of the media firestorm.
I think 60 minutes might be interested in doing a little special about working conditions at our esteemed carriers. We all know the flying public thinks we're living high on the hog, hell my own best friends thought I was making $80,000 (well I do, every 3 years). A little a media attention and public outrage would go a long way in our fight against the man. Hit john q public with a little john stossel reporting about our lack of training (icing) lack of sleep (reduced rest) lack of pay (less than a bus driver) and all the associated conditions that directly affect performance.
When the flying public gets on a CRJ/ERJ that says United on it, they have little clue we aren’t United pilots and almost zero clue that they’re flying on Skywest, Mesa, GoJets, TSA, Shuttle America, etc... If they knew about the substandard training, maintenance, and potentially unsafe QOL of the pilots (that’s associated with regional carriers) there could be serious hell to pay. If it was only known how cheaply, substandard, and barely reaching FARs a good majority of these companies are run... oh man! And how jackass' like JO are livin the highlife while the foot soldiers that are responsible for hundreds of thousands of lives are palming first class boxes and bottles of water from the plane so they can eat. dude, chaos!!!
I truly believe organizations such as ALPA and RAA primarily exist just to feed themselves. Yeah, ALPA helps us but in the end do they really care about the regionals? Look no further than our awesome quality of life for that answer. What I see on these forums are more than just pilots. I see economic and business gurus, graphic designers, web designers, public relations personalities, and people with heart that truly care… absolutely everything that one needs to go grass roots.
When that waste of space marion blakey sabotaged the QOL and pay for the controllers they launched the Fair FAA and Fly US Safe campaigns and from what I’ve heard they have been quite successful. The total eradication of the BS two tiered pay scale system is on the horizon. Granted a lot of this was financed by NATCA, which in my humble opinion is a lot stronger union. Perhaps some pressure needs to be placed on ours as ALPA is wayyy outta touch with our regional reality.
I see websites, media attention, flight cases with Che Guevara’esk stickers (sub che for a dude in a pilot’s uniform). Maybe I’m crazy but if we even put half the attention that we give *****ing and blaming on these forums into fighting the man we could really make a change.
I even see it as a way to honor our brothers and sisters at Colgan, Comair, etc…
I'm naive, Blast away…
02-22-2009 | 11:46 AM
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02-22-2009 | 12:07 PM
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The flying public could care less who's flying them. Mostly because they don't plan on crashing that day they step foot on an airplane. As long as it's cheap. If they were flying in 1920 when there was a 1 in 2 chance that you were going to die in that airplane they probably would mind.
02-22-2009 | 12:20 PM
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ALPA, and for that matter most if not all unions, have outlived their usefulness. Like it has been said before, they are just working a job.
They don't, and haven't for a while now, care about you or your company. They care about themselves only.
So do pilots. For each pilot that might consider action, there will be 3 or 4 new ones in line that still think it doesn't apply to them (they will get that dreamjob).
The public is to ignorant. And a lot of people that fly, fly for their job, aka their companies makes the decision on how cheap the tickets are going to be.
If every pilot here, and the ones get get the information from someone here, writes their congressman, write articles to newspapers and keep doing that.
Maybe then, and only then, you might start la Révolution.
They don't, and haven't for a while now, care about you or your company. They care about themselves only.
So do pilots. For each pilot that might consider action, there will be 3 or 4 new ones in line that still think it doesn't apply to them (they will get that dreamjob).
The public is to ignorant. And a lot of people that fly, fly for their job, aka their companies makes the decision on how cheap the tickets are going to be.
If every pilot here, and the ones get get the information from someone here, writes their congressman, write articles to newspapers and keep doing that.
Maybe then, and only then, you might start la Révolution.
02-22-2009 | 12:56 PM
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The flying public could care less who's flying them. Mostly because they don't plan on crashing that day they step foot on an airplane. As long as it's cheap. If they were flying in 1920 when there was a 1 in 2 chance that you were going to die in that airplane they probably would mind.
ALPA, and for that matter most if not all unions, have outlived their usefulness. Like it has been said before, they are just working a job. They don't, and haven't for a while now, care about you or your company. They care about themselves only.
So do pilots. For each pilot that might consider action, there will be 3 or 4 new ones in line that still think it doesn't apply to them (they will get that dreamjob).
The public is to ignorant. And a lot of people that fly, fly for their job, aka their companies makes the decision on how cheap the tickets are going to be.
If every pilot here, and the ones get get the information from someone here, writes their congressman, write articles to newspapers and keep doing that. Maybe then, and only then, you might start la Révolution.
So do pilots. For each pilot that might consider action, there will be 3 or 4 new ones in line that still think it doesn't apply to them (they will get that dreamjob).
The public is to ignorant. And a lot of people that fly, fly for their job, aka their companies makes the decision on how cheap the tickets are going to be.
If every pilot here, and the ones get get the information from someone here, writes their congressman, write articles to newspapers and keep doing that. Maybe then, and only then, you might start la Révolution.
What the ***k happened to the Pilots I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my @ss from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer...
02-22-2009 | 12:56 PM
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Totally agree, if you put a Che Guevara sticker on your flight bag (I know that's not what you meant), you might as well put one of Adolf Hitler there too; both were ruthless thugs...
