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Old 03-04-2009 | 03:57 PM
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aha thanks, the flying your doing now, I am envious of that type of flying............its awesome, what is there saying again, its some funky motto I forget what it means??????????
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Old 03-04-2009 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
aha thanks, the flying your doing now, I am envious of that type of flying............its awesome, what is there saying again, its some funky motto I forget what it means??????????
MOCHA HAGoTDI..."Make Our Customers Happy And Have A Good Time Doing It." We all make fun of it whenever possible. Even Boston John (BOS tower controller) gets in on it. YouTube - ATC: Boston Tower, John "Jetblueee" Boston (skip to about :40).
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Old 03-04-2009 | 04:30 PM
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haha nice............

Cape is one of the places I am talking about, I bet flying there for 6 months makes you a better pilot than sitting right seat for 2 years on a jet
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Old 03-04-2009 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
haha nice............

Cape is one of the places I am talking about, I bet flying there for 6 months makes you a better pilot than sitting right seat for 2 years on a jet
Well, I spent just over a year on the jet and I've spent almost 6 months now at Cape. I suppose what it comes down to is how you define "better." I definitely feel stronger in stick-and-rudder and instrument scan than when I was on the ERJ, but my mind doesn't get as big a workout. The 402 takes a lot less planning than the jet. Having learned how to plan things out in an airplane that doesn't go down and slow down at the same time helped me out immensely transitioning back to something that does <200 knots. I've found while flying single-pilot IFR, having had that jet experience has made me feel much less task saturated than if I would have gone from a CFI job to Cape. Coming from the ERJ has also made me much smoother on the controls, and having had to discipline myself to only make 5% N1 changes at a time on approach, I tend to only make small power changes in this plane as well.

Not to mention, my style as PIC is taken very much from the good captains I flew with at XJT. I learned a lot from those guys, and I'm glad I can apply it here everyday. I can also make the weather radar do what I want, which is a nice skill to have when dealing with these POS monochrome displays. That was something I also picked up at XJT.

So, in my experience, one job complements the other in some way. I'm sure if/when I take recall back to XJT I'll take some great experiences back there from my current job. But, I think a lot of people get wrapped around the axle about "real flying" vs. flying 121. It's all good flying, and it all provides some sort of challenge that the other type of flying may not have.
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Old 03-04-2009 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by shfo
1998 basic qualifications for a United Airlines Flight Officer.

The individuals we seek must be at least 21 years old, high school graduates, and have the legal right to employment in the United States. In addition they must possess:

350 hours of flight experience in a fixed-wing aircraft as command pilot or copilot.

FAA commercial pilot certificate (ASEL or AMEL) with instrument rating.

Second-class FAA medical certificate with the ability to obtain first-class certification.

Height sufficient to operate all controls in our aircraft, as well as a proportionate weight.

Prior to receiving a job offer, candidates must possess a FAA flight-engineer certificate or have passed the FAA flight-engineer written examination (FEB and FEJ or FEX) that would be in effect when empolyment commences.
The competitive interviewee actually selected for an interview at UAL in 1998 (for a white male) was 7,000 hours TT 2,500 TPIC and 4 type ratings... on average.

Advertised vs actual.

Nancy Studke was the source.
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Old 03-08-2009 | 05:14 AM
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Maybe this is an indication of what some have become .
First All-Black Female Flight Crew Flies To N
Absolutely amazing that this thread was shut down and to what purpose was it to post some of what was posted in there?
What the hell is the matter with people?

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Old 03-09-2009 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Not trying to attack you, but PFJ Programs have NO PLACE in this industry, what is Gulfstream Academy today can turn into Republic/Skywest or Continental/Delta/United tommorow.
I don't think we have to wait until tomorrow...just look at Ryan Air's Cadet program.

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Old 03-09-2009 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Zapata
Did you pay for 250 hours warming the right seat of a Beech 1900 for GIA or not?
No I paid to be trained (PFT your right thats what I did). I was paid during an internship(250 hrs), and I in turn recieved a job offer, like many others, by working hard, and getting some line captains to write a letter of recomendation for me. I didnt warm the right seat, I flew every other leg during my 250, w/o auto pilot or FMS, but Im tired of saying that over and over, some people just have tunnel vision...no sense arguing with them. The program works (exactly as its advertised), and frankly its an ok gig for a first 121 op. I have an oppurtunity to fly some 135 till my recall, which I am frankly looking foward to (the recall to GIA). The line pilots at GIA are for the most part a good bunch of guys. Everyone out here on furlough has two choices, do what you can and make a better path for yourself, or bury your head in a computer and waste away griping about how YOU(entitled) were wronged by someone else....which are we gonna be?..... (Now excuse me, I'm gonna go pay for more training, thats right more PFT...when I get my CFI. Oh no, Wait I guess PFT is wrong, maybe I shouldnt...get real)..I know Im gonna get flamed...oh well..

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Old 03-09-2009 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TPROP4ever
No I paid to be trained (PFT your right thats what I did)
i was paid to be trained
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Old 03-09-2009 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by TPROP4ever
No I paid to be trained (PFT your right thats what I did). I was paid during an internship(250 hrs), and I in turn recieved a job offer, like many others, by working hard, and getting some line captains to write a letter of recomendation for me. I didnt warm the right seat, I flew every other leg during my 250, w/o auto pilot or FMS, but Im tired of saying that over and over, some people just have tunnel vision...no sense arguing with them.
So I told myself I would keep out of the regional section since I'm only a pilot and student and not at an airline. But I would like to respectfully give my opinion on this matter. I'm not going to criticize tprop I'm sure he's a fine pilot. On the other hand I can't understand what good comes from the program that is offered at GI. To me it seems as if GI is cashing in on peoples impatience with getting to the airlines. I'm sure the cost of the program not only covers training expenses but also provides a profit for the company. So they make money off training/hiring you then get you to fill the right seat at very low pay. It's a win win situation for them. The big downside to all this is it could start a trend. If GI becomes more competitive, airlines may find themselves doing what these other guys are doing. Higher profits and lower expenses is what makes you competitive right? So now the pilot selection will be narrowed to who is willing to get another big loan. It's not that the pilots are not qualified or do not meet the requirements but rather that they are simply paying for what they are getting. It is that straight foward in my mind. Plus where is the competition amongst pilots? Should it not go to the best of the best. You're taking out a huge chunk of potentialy great pilots for a small number of those who paid for a position. Again I am not questioning the ability of those pilots but it really narrows things down to a select few. If GI wants to run a company like that, its fine with me. The only problem I have is when they start growing and the rest of the industry lowers their standards even more to compete with these guys. Then a lot of the younger future pilots behind me well see themselves paying for that seat at every airline, if they want to get in.

Well enough of that. Thanks for listening guys .

Cheers and best of luck
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