Part 61 or 141 it doesn't make a difference ATP is a 100% part 61 scool.
I got all my ratings, all the way up to Multi/Commercial at an FBO in 1 year from 0 to Comm/Multi. Then went to ATP 2 week CFI course also part 61 and got my 3 CFI ratings. Every captain I've flown with say they like flying with people from ATP compared to Embry Riddle. ATP pilots are by far better in every aspect.

 

Does that actually still happen?

 

You know something your right, most pilots did go through a PFT program.
Personally my "PFT Program" ended after I got my Multi-Commercial CFI/CFII. After that point I was expected to make my own way in this industry as a CFI or any other job I could recieve as a certified Commercial Pilot. I PAID FOR TRAINING....Then got a job, we are not denouncing PFT, we're denoucing what should be called PFJ, because we are essentially PAYING FOR JOBS through these programs.

I'm not a ra-ra uniong guy by any means, trust me, but I am also disgusted by anyone who would take my seat/job because that individual is willing to do my job for free.

Why should an individual pilot (300 TT) pay to qualify as a First Officer in a Beech 1900, when a CFI (1500 TT/1000+Dual) is turned down for the same position because that CFI is not willing to further bury him/herself in debt???

I'll answer that, they shouldn't. Maybe I am old fashioned, but I believe today what I believed the first time I stepped into an airplane, and that is that the most qualified pilot should be in command of the ship.

It's not a matter of disagreement, just a matter of fact anyway you look at it. Any pilot willing to pay a company merely so that pilot can have a job ahead of one of his/hers' peers lacks integrity, self-respect, and dignity, anyway you look at it.

I don't know your background, where you came from, or where you work now, it's irrelevant, however if you can't see why willing to participate in PFJ program hurts this industry, then we truly are on two completely different wavelengths.

You must have a job, and if I or anyone else came and put you on the street because I didn't care about the money, trust me you would feel differently.

Not trying to attack you, but PFJ Programs have NO PLACE in this industry, what is Gulfstream Academy today can turn into Republic/Skywest or Continental/Delta/United tommorow.

 

Then every Captain you've flown with is clearly carrying a sophomoric, immature attitude if he/she categorizes their FOs based upon where they went to school.

It's no different then categorizing people on the basis of where they come from or what their background is. These ill-informed, ignorant stereotypes of racism and discrimination have no place in this industry, and many men and women have fought vehemently to rid this country of it.


Based on your comments ATP clearly didn't teach you any humility.

 

This crap still happens ? Comparing where you're from to your skill level ? Just fly the plane and have fun and stay out of the papers man...

 

It would seem that you forgot the 'h' in school.

Look, it is hard to take you seriously on these boards when your posts convey an elementary school level of intelligence.

Getting all of your ratings in one year is quite a feat. I accumulated mine gradually over the course of 3 years, and I am glad that I did. I believe that going from 'zero to hero' in one year or less may not be the best approach to flight training. Yes, you can fly the airplane, but has enough time gone by and experience gained to soak in the proper knowledge to handle certain emergencies that we don't train for in the 121 world? That is the million dollar question.

Personally, if I had to choose to fly with someone who went to 4 years of Riddle or someone who went through 12 months of ATP; knowing nothing else about that person, I would choose the Riddle grad. First; because they have proven, by completing a college degree that they have the tools and knowledge to successfully navigate a rigorous college curriculum, which directly translates into an increased ability to handle real world issues.

Second; I know that they didn't "rush" through their ratings. Yes, rush is a subjective word, but one year is fast... don't even get me started on their '90 day' ludicrous speed program.

I was going to continue my discussion with topics that involve ethics and integrity, but seeing that you work for GoJet, I don't expect you to know anything about those topics.

 

God I love it when 300 hour ATP, Jet U and Riddle all bash each other.....it really is quite entertaining.

 

It's kinda like listening to the Florida College for the Blind and Deaf or Northeastern Vermont Community College complain that they don't get a BCS bowl because they won their conference......

 

Kind of like saying the Silver Surfer could beat up Spiderman. At least it is about the same maturity level in this post.

 

Since your talking about respect. Here's a question, how do you think the passengers on a revenue flight would feel if they knew the FO on their flight paid to sit up front? Apparently the right to fly a passenger aircraft now involves paying a large sum. I'm not sure about you but I think the average person respects someone who earns/works hard for a job, not pays for it.