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Old 03-02-2009, 09:58 AM
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I know a bridge for sale if your interested...
haah I can do my own research, I dont take what CNN has to say on real-estate as fact, my fiance and I own our place and bought another to rent out. The market is great for buying and renting out, but "flipping" is dead for now. If one does not have a ton of CASH, they are in deep poop

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Old 03-02-2009, 10:05 AM
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This is the problem with the industry. If you want to know what kind of pilots are coming down the pike, check out this post by XELECRTO.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...tml#post570194
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Old 03-02-2009, 10:08 AM
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I agree, if he mentions "HIMSELF" one more time

His situation blows but I told him to think about how many similar situations were created by GOJETS, and the furloughing of TSA guys who were holding the line..............
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haah I can do my own research, I dont take what CNN has to say on real-estate as fact, my fiance and I own our place and bought another to rent out. The market is great for buying and renting out, but "flipping" is dead for now. If one does not have a ton of CASH, they are in deep poop

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Well, for the interest of staying on topic we could start by getting ALPA to publicly denounce any & every PFT 121 Airline Programs. Scrap that whole philosophy of taking in and supporting every pilot, maybe we should only support companies and pilots who see eye to eye with where QOL and Compensation Standards should be.

We can start with that...
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If pilot's are willing to work for sub-par wages and low QOL standards, then there will ALWAYS be Airlines/Airline Managers who are willing to exploit and take advantage of those circumstances.
Amen to that!
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Originally Posted by DeadHead View Post
Well, for the interest of staying on topic we could start by getting ALPA to publicly denounce any & every PFT 121 Airline Programs. Scrap that whole philosophy of taking in and supporting every pilot, maybe we should only support companies and pilots who see eye to eye with where QOL and Compensation Standards should be.

We can start with that...

I am actually glad you brought that up. I was on the phone with the National Education Committee Chairmen (Hes a Fellow XJT'r) and ALPA is in the process of really examining places like Gulfstream, ATP etc..........


Part of the problem is a lot of these guys are not made aware of the problem with these places and how it brings down the industry
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I would say that Low Cost Carriers are becoming the new middle class and regionals are becoming the lower class.
You mean LCCs like SWA?
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Old 03-02-2009, 10:33 AM
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Part of the problem is a lot of these guys are not made aware of the problem with these places and how it brings down the industry

I had a flight attendant the other day mention how he is going to ATP to finish his CFI and take the "rj transition course" so he can get on flying here at Pinchanikle. He already has his comm/multi. I told him good job on getting the CFI, don't waste the 10 grand or whatever ov the "rj course" because by the time we start hiring again he will have the mins if he just CFI's for a while. He said he can get on quicker though, in the next few months, if he pays for the RJ course. He couldn't understand that we, or anywhere else for that matter, aren't hiring, so the rj course would do him no good......."but the school told me I would be hired at Pinnacle very soon if I take the course" he says.
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Old 03-02-2009, 11:27 AM
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That would be a great idea, if only banks would be willing to lend money, but that was, after all, how we got into this mess.

No offense, but I can't see any bank giving out property investment loans to individuals who currently have a mortgage and don't show enough money to justify a loan.

Now, if your talking about first time buyers, looking to purchase a duplex with a few units, live in one, and rent out the other, then maybe you could convince a bank to give you a loan.
As a young and broke pilot I began buying homes with the intent of living there. After 6 months I would have filled it with crash pad pilots or would have rented it out to someone else and moved on to another purchase.

Homes can be accumulated in this matter.

Aside from that sooner or later the banks will have to let go of the purse strings. The individual will be less likely to buy a home in the future. If banks want to get all the bad loans and foreclosures off the books then they will have to begin dealing with investors.


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Originally Posted by DeadHead View Post
Well, for the interest of staying on topic we could start by getting ALPA to publicly denounce any & every PFT 121 Airline Programs. Scrap that whole philosophy of taking in and supporting every pilot, maybe we should only support companies and pilots who see eye to eye with where QOL and Compensation Standards should be.

We can start with that...
Sure, why not, lets denounce anyone who doesnt see eye to eye with us, and while we are at it, we can try to divide pilots even further...then next we can start JS wars, and ignore(or argue) with each other in the terminals, yeah that will make the flying public really confident in us as a profession....

Or mabye when the mass retirements ,that they slowed with the age 65 rule, hit again we can watch our airlines park airplanes and lose money, then they can go throught the revolving door of chapter 11 over and over, eliminating any chance to make a profit, profit by the way that we could use to go after better pay on the next contract negotiation. Oh and just for fun, we can start denouncing people for their religion, or politics. JUST because you dont like PFT, does not mean it doesnt work or that the pilots that went that route dont take this profession and safety just as seriously as you do....You guys are like a mob mentality. There are a bunch of problems facing the industry today, but the biggest one is every pilot needs to start looking in the mirror before they start looking to place blame quickly.

You do not have to believe it but I guarantee fully half of the pilots hired in the last 12 or so years, by definition went the PFT route, whether 141 school, CFI pilot mills type school, 121 airline, ect. By the definition you guys all speak of the only qualified pilots were the ones who trained part 61 all the way through. My question is, are you just going to drive the wedges into the pilot group even further, because it makes you lots of friends on APC. Have we become such a group of followers, because we need a target to blame that we got screwed by a bad economy and management.

OR MABYE, we can start starching our shirts, cutting our hair, wearing our uniform with pride, holding our head up high, carrying ouselves with some bearing, treating people at the airport with respect, even the rampers and watch the flying public ( our customers by the way) start to regain their repect in us and become what we all profess we want to see ...Heres a wake up call, all your hours, all your training doesnt give you the right to fly, the public that trusts, respects and pays for the ticket does....

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