I think I've made a fairly clear case that this decision does not unconditionally clear the way for AMR to purchase more CRJ's... it clears the way for them to buy them ONLY if they do have the original options.
They have NEVER shown the options to anybody, even when it would have been to their advantage to do so... there is no proof they EVER actually purchased the options in the first place.... other than their claim that they did.

In light of how they have treated your pilot group over the years, I am surprised that you choose to believe them yourself.

Feel free to continue your personal attack as opposed to debating the issue.

 

We are not discussing a new scope exception, we are discussing a previosuly negotiated scope excpetion that was already granted that would allow them to buy more CRJ aircraft... The APA did try to fight it since it has been so many years since they granted the exception, but the arbitrator has ruled that AMR does have the right to exercise the CRJ options.... Now, the big question is, do they actually HAVE any CRJ options. As recently as 2006 they were tellign people it was 25 CRJ options... now they claim it is only 22 CRJ options. They have never shown ANY option contract to anybody.

 

AMR needs larger regional aircraft (at least ones that don't lose money). They spent MILLIONS of dollars in legal fees on this issue. That wasn't just to hoodwink a bunch of pilots for dubious value or subterfuge.

At this point it matters not what they have or have not done or what really exists or existed. They can get those planes if they want or need them, but prefer a bigger fish on their profit plate. For now, the best hand is to hold and watch the table for a year.

AMR isn't dumb and that is EXACTLY what they're doing. IT's as simple as that and dragging past arbitration history into this to complicate the simple is again pointless.

That the ONLY issue and debating irrelevant material is pointless.

 

The 22 number came from the arbitrator, not from AMR directly. I guess he couldn't make it all 25 without it smelling fishy.

 

What past arbitration? The CURRENT (as in just recently decided) APA/AMR aribitration over the ability of AMR to execute their option contract was decided. The arbitrator ruled they can exercise those options. That is ALL that was decided.

You are the one reading more into this than what is there.

All I have pointed out was that AMR has NEVER shown anybody the option contract, even when it was in their best interest to do so. All anybody has is their "word" that they have valid option contracts

You, as an AMR employee, should be the one with serious doubts about ANYTHING that comes out of their mouth... especially when they are in contract talks. As I recall, the last time you guys were doing an ammendment round, you were suddenly up for sale... we all see how well that sale went, and from what I've been told your entire pilot group is essentially now on reserve... and you continue to defend them??? why?

Face it, in all likelyhood the options no longer exist.... but in their contract talks with the APA and ALL other AA unions it certainly doesn't hurt to have people thinking they CAN grow Eagle...

 

Is that all you got? Come 'on, you can be a lot more creative in juvenile name-calling than that.

 

great job guys, what a way to get this thread closed!

 

Hidious overcomplication continues.........

AMR needs to show NOTHING to you (I know that hurts). They spent millions defending this persuit and were awarded the ability to complete it...............AGAIN, end of story. We're only taliking a measly 22 aircraft here which is not even close to enough to alter the big picture. That is why I'm repeatedly trying to point out your misguided emotionalism in making a mountain out of an anthill.

GET A GRIP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eagle needs more larger RJ's and if for some reason it can only get 22, then so be it. Versus continuing with more smaller ones, it's a no brainer. As I said before, if the APA and many AA pilots get their wish and strangle a major portion of AA's revenue source, they will lose too......and with thousands of pilot positions.

One thing is ABSOLUTELY certain.

AA pilots will NEVER fly RJ's in competition with other regional carriers, so the 2 options are that they either allow a reasonable and financially sustainable feed network to remain or wither on the vine along with Eagle.

Well, there is option 3 (a) and 3 (b).

3(a) involves an arbitration scenario, which as I said before has already shown its colors twice recently in painful ways to the APA.

3(B) involves a pre-pak BK should that option become more viable and then all bets are off and the E-190 is firmly (and profitably) in the game in large numbers. Sadly, the suicide rate among AA pilots (mostly F/O's) would likely skyrocket enough that massive hiring might actually take place.

Regardless of whther you think this issue is some big swindle on AMR's behalf to use a feeble 22 plane issue to sway ANYONE (be it "hopeful" Eagle pilots or angry AA pilots) it is not.

Your conspiracy theory of subterfuge and facade is baseless and of little interest to those who count. To certain gullible wild tongue wagging internet posters, it apparently is the next coming of the messiah.

 

"juvenile name calling" ?

I reread that several times and coudn't find confirmation of your assertion. The only thing I noticed was YOU assingning YOURSELF the title of "drunken scurvy dog", so that cannot be my fault. I was not being specific to any pilot, but apparently you see yourself that way, signed your post as such and I only responded using the title you willingly agreed to. In addition, you did this by barging into a discussion of another issue, hijacking with the tired, old and well known APA position on scope, but that's okay................it's in your nature.

In all honesty though, I think you need to direct the above statement to yourself.

 

Yes, this seems to happen a lot. A disagreement occurs and emotion takes over, tangents are introduced and then........well, you got airline pilots failing to communicate.

That's why this profession is toast.

Just like the scorpion who rode on the frogs back, it's in our nature.