Rah 190's Confirmed For Midwest
05-21-2009 | 02:51 PM
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Since I am one directly adversely effected by what it going on here I will voice my opinion on the SCAB issue. I DO NOT view the RAH pilots doing the job that they are contractually obligated to do as SCABS in this case. I have been told by many of them that they are extremely uncomfortable with what's going on. I believe them. I do though get a deep anger rising up inside up me though when I see theses pilots, some of whom are young enough to be a child of mine flying the passengers that I used to fly to cities that I used to fly to. That anger though isn't directed to them but to my management for the decisions that they (TH and the BOD) made that ultimately put 3/4 of our pilots on the street. Someone earlier in this thread put a pic up of BB and quoted the new Lorenzo. I beg to differ. TH and TPG Capital beat him to it. He can have it when TH retires.
05-21-2009 | 03:06 PM
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"These things will be flying code share with Delta in the Midwest carve-out. This will put Delta pilots on the street as they get more 190s."
This is what was told to the ALPA Exec Council last year. Now when that starts to happen with possibly MEH pilots behind the sticks the MEH pilots will be viewed as SCABS won't they? I certainly hope that the RAH pilots don't fly if they feel under the weather or if they even think that something might be wrong with the plane. Remember what the FAA and all our airlines preach. SAFETY FIRST!!!
This is what was told to the ALPA Exec Council last year. Now when that starts to happen with possibly MEH pilots behind the sticks the MEH pilots will be viewed as SCABS won't they? I certainly hope that the RAH pilots don't fly if they feel under the weather or if they even think that something might be wrong with the plane. Remember what the FAA and all our airlines preach. SAFETY FIRST!!!
05-21-2009 | 03:07 PM
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for all of you who are in a union but do not know what a scab is this is copied directly from wikipedia...A strikebreaker (also called scab or knobstick) is a person who works despite an ongoing strike. Strikebreakers are usually individuals who are not employed by the company prior to the trade union dispute, but rather hired prior to or during the strike to keep production or services going. "Strikebreakers" may also refer to be workers (union members or not) who cross picket lines to work.
technically a "strikebreaker" but scab will work too. last i checked midwest guys are not on strike.
all of you that are ****ed about this deal need to take it right back to the guys that let this happen. you were ****ed about mesa flying the 900 but i see skywest, mesaba, asa, pinnacle, freedom and comair followed suite and no one said a word. now since we at rah got the 190 you're all ****ed but when YOU all get the crj1000 i guess you'll walk off the job and tell the company you're not doing the flying RIGHT? luckily this is happening with an expired contract and we can fix it. it's on certificate and there's not a damn thing we can do about it except fight for fair pay. this is NOT a regional jet and i'll be damned if in the NEW contract we fly it for regional pay.
technically a "strikebreaker" but scab will work too. last i checked midwest guys are not on strike.
all of you that are ****ed about this deal need to take it right back to the guys that let this happen. you were ****ed about mesa flying the 900 but i see skywest, mesaba, asa, pinnacle, freedom and comair followed suite and no one said a word. now since we at rah got the 190 you're all ****ed but when YOU all get the crj1000 i guess you'll walk off the job and tell the company you're not doing the flying RIGHT? luckily this is happening with an expired contract and we can fix it. it's on certificate and there's not a damn thing we can do about it except fight for fair pay. this is NOT a regional jet and i'll be damned if in the NEW contract we fly it for regional pay.
05-21-2009 | 03:18 PM
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None of us will be flying mainline airplanes at our regionals though... Whatever happened to "it's only temporary" Now you're talking about payrates to integrate the 190??? Sick. If RAH pilots let this happen to the whole industry then they will deserve to be called every name in the book considering what they're doing to the 270 or more Midwest pilots.
what flag name do you fly under? what mainline guy did you put on the street?
05-21-2009 | 03:21 PM
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On another note, yeah it's crappy what is happening with RAH and Midwest. A lot of people have taken the shaft but we all know how it started and how it can be fixed. SCOPE. We're all being threatened in this industry from both sides now. Bigger planes at the regional airlines and Open Skies agreements. Management is trying to burn the candle at both ends to make as much $ as possible.
05-21-2009 | 03:21 PM
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Oh well, nothing was done about the 170s in the first place so this will be no different.
05-21-2009 | 03:24 PM
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I said what exactly can we do? Grow a pair doesn't work. What do you mean when you say that? Grow a pair and refuse the flying? Write BB an email saying that we wont fly them? Grow a pair and get fired? Grow a pair and quit out of principal? I think the best thing we can do is stop this from happening. I've already written my email to the union with my concerns. This is causing an uproar with our pilot group. We do not want this. Why can't people understand that? But no one on here has given a logical explanation as to what options we have as pilots at RAH other than the likes of your childlike response. "Grow a pair"
05-21-2009 | 03:29 PM
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What's really sad is that the pilots at RAH are now going to be denied jump seats and glared at while walking through terminals, just because some people can't see that it is not the pilots but rather the management who made this decision. Today was the first news that anyone, including the RAH pilots, heard of this. And like it or not, you have no control over what your company does either. This situation could happen to anyone at the regional level. Like some people have already said, wait and see what happens before you start condemning people. And for Heaven's sake don't call them scabs (just shows your ignorance), and don't deny them jump seats or treat them any differently than you did a few weeks ago. Talk to them about it and you will see that the majority don't like this idea and are fighting to fix it.
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