Originally Posted by tzadik

i cant blame RAH pilots anymore than i can blame myself... we're all at fault. our pilot groups are so weak management could make us fly in pink shirts and speedos and we couldnt stoppem. so im not gonna ask a RAH pilot to refuse to fly... if he refuses to fly RAH will just go get some 172 driver who would do it for $14 and hour.

i think one of the large issues at our companies are the pilots with the life sentence. i for one know there are plenty of senor guys at my pathetic company that would jump at the 190. they're not going anywhere and they could careless that the FO is getting paid $24. they're just feelin like bigger men now that they have 100 seats. its these people that weaken our pilot groups and vote yes on things that should be shot down for the greater good.

its not joe FO at RAH thats stoked about this plane... because joe FO knows its true negative impact on the future. its capt ron whos a RAH lifer thats happy.

Originally Posted by MEMA300

This industry is going down and fast. I wish pilots had some pride. One day the Republic and Colgan guys will get it when some upstart regional undercuts them with a bunch of newbies. History repeats itself.

Enjoy the regionals guys. There are that many less mainline jobs out there.

Originally Posted by Beechlover

I've been in this industry now for 3 years. Been reading the boards quite a bit in that time as well. To be honest.., based on what I've seen, and read, and heard, I feel that this "solidarity" so many speak of is a myth, or at the very least a reality I will never see in this industry based on the apathy and indifference that exist. That and the "I got mine crowd" seem to me to be the biggest impediment to bringing any solidarity to this profession. We need a fundemental paradigm shift before any EFFECTIVE change will occur. Not likely to occur in my opinion. At this point in my career, my priorities are my health, my family, my career.

At no point in any of these threads have I felt the true spirit of solidarity that compelled me to change my actions with regards to doing my job or make a self sacrifice (read: fall on my own sword) so that those higher in seniority could continue to enjoy job security, prestige and, great pay. Sorry that's how I see it.

With regard to the E-190, do you seriously think that ANY pilot who cares about their family, their livelyhood, and being out on the street in THIS economy, Is gonna ACTUALLY refuse to fly it??? I don't know what world these folks live in, but I tend to focus on the real world.

Employment at the "Legacy Carriers" is becoming less and less attractive to me these days. Don't think I'm gonna be heading in that direction. Threats are a little school yard don't ya think?

Pilots don't get to choose what aircraft their airlines fly, MANAGEMENT AND THE MARKETS make those decisions. THE ONLY thing we AS pilots have control over is the speed and altitude we chose to go from A to B. Not crazy about every decision thats been made by this airline's management, but that's life in the 121 world.

If or when it comes my time to fly the E 190, don't expect me to fall on my own sword. That is unless we all collectively intend to provide us (pilots who refuse to fly it) with either the unemployment income or another job..., any takers.., didn't think so.., so much for "solidarity."

I'm gonna continue to do my job as I would expect any professional pilot to do. If it makes you all happy, when or if our union ever gets it's collective self together, we'll see about better pay. Don't hold your breath. So there it is.., do with this what you will. Don't get me wrong, I love my profession, myjob and the folks I fly with, hell I even like who I fly for (RAH).

Imagine that, a pilot who actually enjoys working for the airline he flys for, what a concept.

Originally Posted by RatherBeFishing

For all the guys crapping on Republic pilots. Just think if you were in your 20s fresh out of flight school. You would all be flying for regionals right now just like myself. You would all show up to work to fly your 190 if the alternative was getting fired and not being able to provide for your family. I wish I could go straight to mainline but it isn't possible. I agree that it is horrible what that P.O.S. in Indianapolis is doing. I hate the man. Honestly, hate is not a big enough word for my feelings towards Bedford. Just remember that we are all in this together. It is all of our faults. Lets work together. Mainline guys, protect your scopes. Guys at RAH, negotiate mainline payrates and work rules. Hopefully we can prevent this airline from actually flying these planes in the first place but I don't know how we can possibly accomplish that. Lets all work together to try and do as much as we can at our individual airlines to help protect the future of the industry. I signed up 5 years ago to fly 50 seaters and move on as quickly as possible. Bedford has hosed the entire industry with 170s, 175s, and now 190s. Stop putting the Republic pilot group down when there are so many people to blame.

Originally Posted by RatherBeFishing

For all the guys crapping on Republic pilots. Just think if you were in your 20s fresh out of flight school. You would all be flying for regionals right now just like myself. You would all show up to work to fly your 190 if the alternative was getting fired and not being able to provide for your family. I wish I could go straight to mainline but it isn't possible. I agree that it is horrible what that P.O.S. in Indianapolis is doing. I hate the man. Honestly, hate is not a big enough word for my feelings towards Bedford. Just remember that we are all in this together. It is all of our faults. Lets work together. Mainline guys, protect your scopes. Guys at RAH, negotiate mainline payrates and work rules. Hopefully we can prevent this airline from actually flying these planes in the first place but I don't know how we can possibly accomplish that. Lets all work together to try and do as much as we can at our individual airlines to help protect the future of the industry. I signed up 5 years ago to fly 50 seaters and move on as quickly as possible. Bedford has hosed the entire industry with 170s, 175s, and now 190s. Stop putting the Republic pilot group down when there are so many people to blame.