This gives me a hard on.

 

You can not strike until released by the NMB. President Bush made it very clear that no airline was going to strike under his administration so that for eight years management held all of the cards. I am not that familiar with what has gone on at Midwest but to say they could strike without a release to do so is wrong.

 

RAH pilots - you are at one of the most important crossroads in your careers. In everyone's careers. Take the fact that you are in contract negotiations as a sign. You MUST remove from your next CBA pay rates for aircraft with more than 76 seats. It will set an important precident that will shape our industry for at least the next decade. For the sake of our profession.

 

I've been in this industry now for 3 years. Been reading the boards quite a bit in that time as well. To be honest.., based on what I've seen, and read, and heard, I feel that this "solidarity" so many speak of is a myth, or at the very least a reality I will never see in this industry based on the apathy and indifference that exist. That and the "I got mine crowd" seem to me to be the biggest impediment to bringing any solidarity to this profession. We need a fundemental paradigm shift before any EFFECTIVE change will occur. Not likely to occur in my opinion. At this point in my career, my priorities are my health, my family, my career.

At no point in any of these threads have I felt the true spirit of solidarity that compelled me to change my actions with regards to doing my job or make a self sacrifice (read: fall on my own sword) so that those higher in seniority could continue to enjoy job security, prestige and, great pay. Sorry that's how I see it.

With regard to the E-190, do you seriously think that ANY pilot who cares about their family, their livelyhood, and being out on the street in THIS economy, Is gonna ACTUALLY refuse to fly it??? I don't know what world these folks live in, but I tend to focus on the real world.

Employment at the "Legacy Carriers" is becoming less and less attractive to me these days. Don't think I'm gonna be heading in that direction. Threats are a little school yard don't ya think?

Pilots don't get to choose what aircraft their airlines fly, MANAGEMENT AND THE MARKETS make those decisions. THE ONLY thing we AS pilots have control over is the speed and altitude we chose to go from A to B. Not crazy about every decision thats been made by this airline's management, but that's life in the 121 world.

If or when it comes my time to fly the E 190, don't expect me to fall on my own sword. That is unless we all collectively intend to provide us (pilots who refuse to fly it) with either the unemployment income or another job..., any takers.., didn't think so.., so much for "solidarity."

I'm gonna continue to do my job as I would expect any professional pilot to do. If it makes you all happy, when or if our union ever gets it's collective self together, we'll see about better pay. Don't hold your breath. So there it is.., do with this what you will. Don't get me wrong, I love my profession, myjob and the folks I fly with, hell I even like who I fly for (RAH).

Imagine that, a pilot who actually enjoys working for the airline he flys for, what a concept.

 

You'll make a great chief pilot or DO at a commuter.. glad you're happy with the state of the "Free market" and the industry.. me? I wonder why I can't even get into a taxi cab without it being price regulated, but the airlines have to fight a cutthroat race to the bottom in the "Free Market"

 

A test you failed back when all you did was bash GoJet, then when you got furloughed and it became all about "me me me" you decided to go there...

 

Some of the content of this thread is absolutely unreal. Let’s see where do I begin? We have some 21 year old FO talking to a veteran mainline pilot trying to lecture him about a contract that he didn't even get to vote on? Are you kidding me Toilet? Are you on second year pay yet at good ole RAH? Until I see you at the front of the picket line please don't lecture someone who YOUR company put on the street. If it was up to him he would have had a scope clause in place, but it wasn't his choice. He simply worked his way up in the ranks like you're trying to do and went to a very reputable major airline. Now he has to watch a bunch of 20 year old cocky flight instructors tear his entire career down. He has to witness pilots who can barely afford Ramen Noodles fly the same size aircraft on the same routes for $30/ hour less than he was.

Sorry to burst your bubble RAH guys but you will forever be talked about in the exact same manner as MESA & GOJET. I hope you don't have to many commuters over there! Because I know several guys at mainline and regional airlines who are very aware of this situation and will not allow RAH guys on the jumpseat. Maybe its managements fault who knows. The bottom line is if you guys bend over and allow this to happen, you better move to base and fast!

 

I will deny the JS for any RAH pilot who is pro 190. This race to the bottom has to end, and if it has to get ugly then so be it.

 

Why would you think I'm 21?

Wasn't ours either. But since some feel it's ok to throw mud on the faces of the pilots here, which had no say, then some things needs to be made quite clear on who is actually to blame.

Don't be so naive to think it's us that's doing it. That airline is anything but reputable. It's the closest thing to Lorenzo since Lorenzo.

Only by a pile of idiots. RAH was not created some alter ego that we chose to go work for simply for a super quick upgrade sidestepping other pilots. It is a regional like any other that's contracted to fly aircraft for mainlines. There was no picket line to cross, no work actions taken, no alter egos.... There was only a huge hole in the midwest contract that those pilots voted on and didn't button up. We don't want those aircraft here but we're not ignorant as to how they came to be. Get your head out of the sand.

Are you sure? You know several mainline and regionals guys that will not allow RAH guys to jumpseat? I haven't met any. Jumpseats are not political tools. They ride on us and we ride on them. I think you're completely full of it.

Apparently just about everyone but you do. RAH pilots didn't know about this till the press release and these aircraft became available through request from Midwest thanks to a complete lack of scope protection in their contract.

What do you mean "If we allow this to happen"? What is it you think can be done by us? Simply say "i'm not flying it" and get fired or penalized? You're just talking to hear yourself talk since nothing you've said is rational. You have any idea what a J/S war does? You think it only goes one way? Give me a break. Unless they are complete fools they'll no better. Does make it easy to see which group you're in.

 

This has to be one of the most unintelligent posts on here. I do agree with you about Toilet. He needs to tone it down a little. One thing you fail to realize is that when this all started, Midwest pilots held a rally or protest in MKE. We at RAH went there to stand beside them and protest. So don't put thoughts and actions onto us that we aren't doing. The several guys you know at mainline and at regionals probably have the same intelligence level as you if they were to do something that ignorant.