Originally Posted by 320ToBearz

Please name a time in the past when we could since you know when we could?

Originally Posted by YXnot

Theres the rub. "Move on" ,Move on to what? There will soon be no better place to be than where you are. I hope you can make the best of what you have now. Think about how it will be retiring from your regional airline at 65.
The good jobs are disappearing fast.

Originally Posted by ToiletDuck

Worked for the NWA guys on the work rules when they were flying 90hr lines.

Originally Posted by ToiletDuck

How about when you guys were making the crap contract that allowed this in the first place? Believe it or not you CAN strike when making contracts. I googled it take a look people are doing it all over.

strike contract negotions - Google Search

Originally Posted by MD-11Loader

You're on the street because you negelected to have proper scope clause protection in your contract. Look no further than the mirror for someone to blame.

Originally Posted by 320ToBearz

our first contract, which you speak of, almost went to a strike. sorry to state that scope really wasn't on the radar for ALPA's lawyers back then.

Originally Posted by ToiletDuck

Well so far you've mentioned your negotiators, your company, and your union but I haven't seen you admit that any of this was allowed because of you. Last I checked you have to vote yes or no to a contract. The union just makes sure it abides by the rules. You voted yes.

Originally Posted by 320ToBearz

Actually, I didn't vote for our contract maynard, was hired after.

I hope you guys get JBLU -25% with a no vote from you so I can repeat what you just said.

Originally Posted by ToiletDuck

I don't want to see them here. I think it sucks that they are. So to that I thank the Midwest guys for having the weakest contract and unity around. My hopes of going to mainline are diminishing all around me simply because a group "lived in the now" a little too much and didn't have the motivation to strike. I'm upset to no end by them being here. Upset at the Midex guys for letting it happen. There was one place to stop this and that was it. Now my only hope is we go balls to the wall on payscales reflecting both CA's and FO's with this one and either make it nice or us to bad enough where it doesn't become feasible to keep them. That's the last and only play we have left now that they've been dumped on our table. JBLU rates or bust at a minimum. A crack in the damn this is. Hopefully other MAINLINE pilots will write their companies how they don't like doing business with someone that's directly competing with them. The 190 is considered a mainline aircraft by DOT since it can fit 100 seats. I work here and yea it'd suck for us losing the midex, dal, or US Air flying but it'd still be the right thing to do to keep these out of a regional. With DAL and others wanting to cut flying I'm sure a stern warning from them to RAH would put things back in order.

With all the talk in the media about regional pay/experience I can't think of a better time to talk to your local congressman or media about how your jobs are being directly replaced by lower paying and less experienced pilots.

If this isn't a lesson on how important scope is I dunno what is.

Originally Posted by AirWillie

Oh please that is BS, I think we ALLL know that you will never get major 190 rates why do you think you're flying them in the first place?