freezingflyboy

Some of y'all will probably never see the forest through the trees and will always take the "I just come here to fly airplanes and move on dee-dee-dee" stance. But every time one of those RAH 190s takes off, it's just another nail in the coffin for our profession.

SharkyBN584

And what set of circumstances made it so you were unable to protect YOUR flying?

hockeypilot44

You can't afford to support yourself anyway. The Midwest pilots make enough to support families and own a house. A Chautauqua first officer barely makes enough to live in a cheap apartment and have a little left over for beer money.

SharkyBN584

There's a reason I don't come to this site anymore. It's the same people saying the same thing over and over again. I'd love to see what would happen if CAL loosened up scope and allowed XJET to fly 170's. I don't think you would sound so holier-than-thou.

Purpleanga

That's what Gojet pilots said. It never ends... there's always someone to blame. RAH pilot should focus on what's best for the industry rather than their I just do my job attitude, it willl be better for them in the long run. If there's a mainline jet waiting for me at the gate, nothing I can do about it! Pathetic

SharkyBN584

HA! Not really. And on that note, I'm outta here. See ya'll in 6 more months when something else happens that is somehow my fault!

320ToBearz

Brian Bedford Jesus Warrior.....check
Tim Hoeksema the antichrist......check
ALPA National not knowing anything about the scope in the 90's (it was their lawyers who helped us with our FIRST contract).....check
DALPA signing off on their scope relaxation before Bedford enters equation.....check
An arbitrator ruling a "connect" as a "code share"......check

The perfect storm.

Here it comes United and Continental. This is the mentality you will see except will be talking about trans-atlantic flights.

ToiletDuck

I don't want to see them here. I think it sucks that they are. So to that I thank the Midwest guys for having the weakest contract and unity around. My hopes of going to mainline are diminishing all around me simply because a group "lived in the now" a little too much and didn't have the motivation to strike. I'm upset to no end by them being here. Upset at the Midex guys for letting it happen. There was one place to stop this and that was it. Now my only hope is we go balls to the wall on payscales reflecting both CA's and FO's with this one and either make it nice or us to bad enough where it doesn't become feasible to keep them. That's the last and only play we have left now that they've been dumped on our table. JBLU rates or bust at a minimum. A crack in the damn this is. Hopefully other MAINLINE pilots will write their companies how they don't like doing business with someone that's directly competing with them. The 190 is considered a mainline aircraft by DOT since it can fit 100 seats. I work here and yea it'd suck for us losing the midex, dal, or US Air flying but it'd still be the right thing to do to keep these out of a regional. With DAL and others wanting to cut flying I'm sure a stern warning from them to RAH would put things back in order.

With all the talk in the media about regional pay/experience I can't think of a better time to talk to your local congressman or media about how your jobs are being directly replaced by lower paying and less experienced pilots.

If this isn't a lesson on how important scope is I dunno what is.

320ToBearz

Hey duck, when can we strike? Study the RLA. Tell our fine former Neg Com Chairman whose now helping the IBT with your negotiations about our scope clause. He'll send you "7 letters in 7 days" about unity and integrity and all that BS.

I vote for Christian Bale to help our negotiators! Just have him go off on Seabury like he did on that lighting director.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrvMTv_r8sA
Listening to it again, he can say the same thing to the Republic pilots. "What don't you f@#$ing understand?"

ToiletDuck

I've read up on the RLA and yes you had opportunities in the past before all this happened. If you're asking when can you strike now? Well you can't the cow's already out of the barn.