[quote=INAV8OR;617639]This thread proves to me a few things that I always thought:
1. Most pilots would eat their young if it meant a better life for themselves.
2. If someone isn't pisin and moaning about something, they are not a pilot.
3. Our ALPA, is not a union, it is an association. Meaning that if you are a member of ALPA, you are just associated with it. A union is unified not divided. If our groups worked together and everyone was not out for themselves, this job would have a good future in america.

Boy, do you have that right. Life would be better for everyone if all flying was under mainline. It's time for some scope to get reeled in and the union to act like one.

 

I'm furloughed Comair. It sure gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling about this industry when I read posts such as this from my ALPA 'brothers'.

I'm not asking for pitty but some tact would be nice.

 

I wasn't at Comair at the time, but why did Delta pay almost $2 BILLION for Comair? I think it was because Delta was afraid of what the company was capable of. I just don't understand why Delta, (our ALPA brothers) dont care where we are coming from with this benefit change. We DON'T want priority on your flights. We just want to be ahead of retirees and family members when we are trying to get to our job as commuters. (Bye the way, out of all the employee groups effected by this new change, we are the only group to take concessions!)

 

Tell that little rant to all of our guys that got stranded there when DFW closed, to all the Republic (the old Republic) guys when ATL was closed...and many others.

This career is a strange and twisting road. Live with it, make the best of it, or get out.

 

WOW!!! Another reason I enjoy paying my union dues!

 

First of all, I get booted from these boards for less offensive comments than this selcall jerk and his is still up... ridiculous.

To you selcall...
your comments are exactly whats wrong with this industry. first, you had to start somewhere. second, don't think you are all high and mighty just because you fly for a major. i respect the work you put in to get there, but dont bash us that are just trying to squeak out a living to get there. last time im fairly certain they arent going to fly an md88 from memphis to ft. smith arkansas that is why we have regional carriers, obviously you missed that somewhere along your "journey." I have flown on many carriers in their jumpseat coming back from vacation or going to work who were a lot more respectful of us than you have been on this board. I dont agree with what our union has done but im furloughed and dont really have a say in that. Dont lump us in with everything else that has happened. you have obviously shown your ignorance or should i say arrogance with your comments on here. it would be better for us if you went and jump off a building you "old codger"

 

*Deleted* I had nothing nice to say.

 

You know, it took this thread a little less than 3 pages to digress to name calling and accusations. With all this "unity" we have as pilots, I can't really fault those that only look out for themselves in this industry. I mean really, can't we all just get along???????? Lets hold hands and sing Kumbaya.

 

I am going to try to address a couple of things about this forum. Please understand that it's nothing personal but needs to be said. I cannot speak for all of us at mainline nor would I ever want to but here is a prevailing sentiment you will find with a lot of us "Mainline Pilots".

1. I am not your union brother nor will I ever be. If you are not flying an airplane with a prop on it that seats 34 people or less then your very job is a detriment to my professional survival in this industry. The 50 seat, 76 seat, 86 seat, 70 seat, etc...regional jet is an infestation within this industry that I cannot stand. While I spent many a dark night flying those things in a previous life I decided to jump into the abyss and now sit on the other side of the fence. While you may protest that we have similar issues with management and so forth I find the wrench of entitlement (that I see from many on this board) vile and without merrit. It's like being a AAA baseball player guys. Sure you might have a lot of prospects looking at you and sure the men from the big show might buy you a beer every now and then but until you get sent up you will never be my "Brother" in this industry. Your very existence, while many argue is essential to the Airline industry, is a complete contradiction to my own betterment in this profession.

I personally and many I talk to could care less about how it sucks your family cannot get back from SFO to ATL via SLC because of all our "Mainline" employees happen to be out there also and keep bumping you from flights. Guess what, the same thing happens to all of us "mainline" guys with our families and even on our commutes to work. We deal with it, make alternate plans or even buy a ticket if we know we have to be there. We plan ahead as much as possible, show our due dilligence in trying to get to work, and then move on. Try doing it yourself.

2. I and many of my fellow pilots have been more than happy in the past to give up the jumpseat, take an FA seat if available to assist many a regional pilot to work. Even though he screwed up, never left himself a backup because the girlfriend was in town last night, yada yada yada I am always obligatory and help out wherever I can. I will continue to do so because it's the right thing to do.

Stringer: Tact and patience is something many of us do not have on this board any more for the constant complaining about how "Big Brother Management" is making life so hard on your fellow pilots at the regionals.

I am not trying to be triffling but please if this job is that bad then please go to Home Depot and find gainful employment, leave the nasty business of flying to us old codgers, and learn how to help me when I come to Home Depot and ask about a good groundcover perrenial for a full sun area.

I and many I talk to are tired of the constant whining about the loss of privileges and the audacious sense of entitlement we hear from the newest or youngest generation of pilots hand picked to spend $64,000.00 to learn how to fly a regional jet in a simulator.

I do not want the closet you call a crew room either as some on this board have suggested.

 

For someone who benefited from flying the 'infestation' of 50-76 seat jets to get enough hours to get a job at mainline, you have an awful amount of negative things to say about your own roots.