Comair Unions Pushing for DL to reconsider
05-28-2009 | 05:49 AM
#81
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 493
Likes: 0
Av8rking - as I said earlier in this train wreck of a thread, take a look at the Pinnacle benefits. The rest of us could have it WAY worse. They not only board after us, they only get 3 international flight days a year, no parent benefits except for ZED, no buddies and no travel companions. So if anyone took a major step backwards, it was Pinnacle.
I'm sorry but as awful as things are at Comair, you guys aren't the only ones that have, will and are taking it the shorts.
I'm sorry but as awful as things are at Comair, you guys aren't the only ones that have, will and are taking it the shorts.
05-28-2009 | 05:50 AM
#82
Banned
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 372
Likes: 0
From: electron wrangler
And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. This is why ALPA is an abject failure. Believe it or not, this corrosive attitude is tolerated at the highest levels in this lame excuse of a union.
As it turns out, the former RJ drivers are the worst.
As it turns out, the former RJ drivers are the worst.
Last edited by N2264J; 05-28-2009 at 10:38 AM.
05-28-2009 | 06:48 AM
#83
Line Holder
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,775
Likes: 18
I am going to try to address a couple of things about this forum. Please understand that it's nothing personal but needs to be said. I cannot speak for all of us at mainline nor would I ever want to but here is a prevailing sentiment you will find with a lot of us "Mainline Pilots".
1. I am not your union brother nor will I ever be. If you are not flying an airplane with a prop on it that seats 34 people or less then your very job is a detriment to my professional survival in this industry. The 50 seat, 76 seat, 86 seat, 70 seat, etc...regional jet is an infestation within this industry that I cannot stand. While I spent many a dark night flying those things in a previous life I decided to jump into the abyss and now sit on the other side of the fence. While you may protest that we have similar issues with management and so forth I find the wrench of entitlement (that I see from many on this board) vile and without merrit. It's like being a AAA baseball player guys. Sure you might have a lot of prospects looking at you and sure the men from the big show might buy you a beer every now and then but until you get sent up you will never be my "Brother" in this industry. Your very existence, while many argue is essential to the Airline industry, is a complete contradiction to my own betterment in this profession.
1. I am not your union brother nor will I ever be. If you are not flying an airplane with a prop on it that seats 34 people or less then your very job is a detriment to my professional survival in this industry. The 50 seat, 76 seat, 86 seat, 70 seat, etc...regional jet is an infestation within this industry that I cannot stand. While I spent many a dark night flying those things in a previous life I decided to jump into the abyss and now sit on the other side of the fence. While you may protest that we have similar issues with management and so forth I find the wrench of entitlement (that I see from many on this board) vile and without merrit. It's like being a AAA baseball player guys. Sure you might have a lot of prospects looking at you and sure the men from the big show might buy you a beer every now and then but until you get sent up you will never be my "Brother" in this industry. Your very existence, while many argue is essential to the Airline industry, is a complete contradiction to my own betterment in this profession.
#2: Why shouldn't MAINLINE have every aircraft? All aircraft from the 34 seat turbo-prop up through the 777? If Delta took in all those airplanes, you can bet your butt I'd apply to fly a 34-seat Turboprop.
Scope = ALL airplanes, not just jets, not just airplanes over 50 seats, etc.
05-28-2009 | 07:27 AM
#84
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 139
Likes: 0
#1: If you're so hot and bothered by RJs and the undercutting regionals, then get your airplanes back. There's only so much regional pilots can do.... we don't make the managements decisions, and as you well know we can't just walk off the job if we don't like how things are.
#2: Why shouldn't MAINLINE have every aircraft? All aircraft from the 34 seat turbo-prop up through the 777? If Delta took in all those airplanes, you can bet your butt I'd apply to fly a 34-seat Turboprop.
Scope = ALL airplanes, not just jets, not just airplanes over 50 seats, etc.
#2: Why shouldn't MAINLINE have every aircraft? All aircraft from the 34 seat turbo-prop up through the 777? If Delta took in all those airplanes, you can bet your butt I'd apply to fly a 34-seat Turboprop.
Scope = ALL airplanes, not just jets, not just airplanes over 50 seats, etc.
You don't make managements decisions, then you shouldn't be whining about the reduction in pass benefits. And just so that I am clear, you support mainline having all aircraft, although that does not necessarily include the pilots with them.
05-28-2009 | 07:29 AM
#85
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 139
Likes: 0
Since when do Comair pilots care about ALPA? Comair pilots have always been out for Comair pilots. ALPA was all fine and dandy as long as flying was being handed to Comair pilots on a silver platter. When the gravy train ended, however, then came the RJDC, the complaining, the suing, and now more complaining. Cry me a river.
05-28-2009 | 07:57 AM
#86
Moderator
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,088
Likes: 0
From: B757/767
Since when do Comair pilots care about ALPA? Comair pilots have always been out for Comair pilots. ALPA was all fine and dandy as long as flying was being handed to Comair pilots on a silver platter. When the gravy train ended, however, then came the RJDC, the complaining, the suing, and now more complaining. Cry me a river.
Sums it up nicely. Very true.
05-28-2009 | 08:19 AM
#87
Line Holder
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,775
Likes: 18
And just so that I am clear, you support mainline having all aircraft, although that does not necessarily include the pilots with them.
05-28-2009 | 09:15 AM
#88
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 139
Likes: 0
You got caught in crossfire. Yours just happened to be the post I quoted. Plenty on here are blaming the pilots.
Your attitude is exactly what major carriers are looking for, and you will get your shot.
05-28-2009 | 09:43 AM
#89
Permanent Ready Reserve
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 969
Likes: 0
From: Upright and Locked
Amen! It's when my job is cut because of another undercutting regional carrier in the race to the bottom that I get upset. If I got furloughed this January because Delta wanted the flying back for themselves, then good on them (and eventually me when they start hiring again.)
05-28-2009 | 09:51 AM
#90
Line Holder
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,775
Likes: 18
It's all good.... but I really thought when I read that second part that you had written "you will get you shot" as in I'm a marked man. 
Carry on, guys. I'd like to fly for the big boys some day and however we can ensure the big boys have the jobs, that's where we need to go.
I don't claim to know much, because I don't, but perhaps the Fee For Departure Committee is a good first step at getting the flying back to the majors.... if we can get all the regional MECs to want ONE contract scale for each aircraft, in a way there is no cost savings by going not only with one regional over another, but also any regional at all, we might be headed out of troubled waters.
I think the real question is not can we get it back to mainline, but how long until it is so and what might it take.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
