RuttR

Those standards that say Renslow and Shaw were ready to sit in their respective seat are also saying you are ready to be sitting in your respective seat. How many times did you raise your concern to a flight manager or your Union that CA Renslow wasn’t ready to be CA and his practices are jeopardizing safety?

To say fatigue was not a main factor would be saying you were a factor for not raising flags on this guy since you flew 150 hours with this fellow.

JetPipeOverht

This thread is bashing and bringing up nothing that hasn't already been discussed...worthless beating of an old issue to enable self-righteousness

Pantera

[QUOTE=EWRflyr;651499]By JOAN LOWY, Associated Press Writer Joan Lowy, Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON – A new cockpit voice recorder transcript shows the co-pilot in February's airline crash in upstate New York said she felt ill and would have liked to have skipped the flight.


First Officer Rebecca Shaw also complained about poor treatment by Colgan Air Inc. of Manassas, Va., which operated the flight for Continental Airlines, and about how little she was paid. Shaw said she earned only $15,800 the previous year and the airline was refusing to give her $200 in back pay she felt she was owed.




The transcript was released Monday by the National Transportation Safety Board. Flight 3407 crashed on Feb. 12 near Buffalo, killing 50 people. Testimony at a May hearing showed the flight's two pilots made a series of critical errors.[/QUOTE

Colgan is a **** paying bottom feeder. SUPRISE!!!!!

shimmydamp

Unfortunately even with a union and AFTER 3407 the company has not changed the sick policy, which they admitted in the NTSB hearings is punitive in nature.

bcrosier

Perhaps he would have been able to maintain a reasonable standard of living AND buy a hotel room if Colgan (and most other regionals) weren't dirtbag operations who care more about saving a nickle than providing a decent living for their employees. The managment of Colgan should be ashemed if they had any decency, but like the swine they are they prefer to hide behind the skirt of the RAA.

The Juice

I agree with you. Colgan mgmt is a joke. One person in particular, MF, who was an embarrassment during the NTSB hearings needs to try and live on a regional airline wage.

She has the nerve to travel in limos when traveling for the company, too good to take a company provided shuttle van or drive herself

PILOTGUY

The FAA checkride said he was ready to be a CA. All the IOE check airman said he was ready to be CA. The FAA observed ride at the end of that IOE said he was ready to be a CA.

Now, you have flown and trained with him and think otherwise. You say others that have done those things with him would say otherwise as well. Maybe some of the items above will be/need to be scrutinized by the FAA.

Treat every flight as if your family was in the back.

nwa757

This is not old news... this is important information released today that was previously withheld by the NTSB (to maintain the sanity of the flying public)? The entire conversation in sterile from the gate to takeoff was previously withheld, but was released today. It's full of complaints about Colgan management and their sick policies, as well as the company culture.

This drags Colgan's name through the mud even deeper. What an embarrassing company to work for.

People may complain about the privacy of the pilot's conversations and what not, but this NTSB info release will put crapbag regionals into the spotlight even more-so and hopefully put some pressure on sick policy regulation as well.

7/27/09:
Additional Information Submitted To Colgan Air Dash-8 Public Docket
http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Aviation...027/423395.pdf
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20:41:52.7
HOT-2

I mean if I call in sick now I've got to put myself in a hotel until I feel better.
you know we'll see how how it feels flying. if the pressure's just too much I
you know I could always call in tomorrow at least I'm in a hotel on the
company's buck but we'll see. I'm pretty tough.

20:41:31.1
HOT-?

[sound of sniffle]


20:41:34.5
HOT-2

oh I'm ready to be in the hotel room.


20:41:38.2
HOT-1

I feel feel feel bad for you as far as feeling **.


20:41:44.2
HOT-2

well this is one of those times that if I felt like this when I was at home
there's no way I would have come all the way out here. but now that I'm
out here.



21:06:43.5
HOT-2

yeah. no we're not. we want to give it— we want to do a lot more
travelling. although gosh I'm so freaking mad. I feel like Colgan walks all
over me. this company treats me like crap so much.

Cruise

That's laughable! Sure, on paper we had a union in place at the time. Although, to this day, there is still no grievance process because the so-called 'safety first' management at Colgan thinks it would be better to negotiate safety.....instead of following through w/ their lies spewed at the NTSB hearing. Without a contract, and more importantly a grievance process, there is little the union can do to support a pilot in need.

Sick/ fatigue calls ARE punished. One way or another, the company will get their flesh from you for making the call.

BobBinkie

Use a safety report or the ASAP to notify the FAA that your company is punishing pilots for using sick and fatigue calls. If you don't want to do it yourself ask a union rep to file one for you.

The union could leak this to the media since there is still interest in the Buffalo crash.