Part of maturity is learning how and when to bite your tongue. This comment doesn't help anything.

 

And this helps how? (that coming from a much older and more "mature" pilot)

 

There are pilots, (and regular employees) at every company who you know will never get hired anywhere else. You wonder how the heck could they have made it into the place I work at? Was the HR head hung over that day? I'm beginning to suspect that this site is the repository for said employees.

You get on a four day with them and within the first hour they know that you are in the presence of greatness. I point guys like this out to my son at the supermarket and show them how inappropriate it is to act like a horse's behind. I remind him that grown ups sometimes are raised by crummy non-loving parents who teach them that the world is against them and that they are perpetual victims.

Victims are simply players in the huge drama of life and unfortunately they are necessary for the rest of us to realize that our lives are, for the most part, an incredible miracle.

You don't HAVE TO BE A PILOT, you can be anything and do anything you want with your life. As this pathetic career choice unveils itself to you, ask yourself, what would really make me happy? I can think of a thousand other ways this thread can head. You all think that this is a longevity career. The dream is unfortunately over. Get used to it. The best thing all you new family members can do is band together at the next Republic function and get heard in person. The Internet is no way to communicate to get heard. BAND TOGETHER AT A PUBLIC PLACE IN PERSON and let management know you guys mean business, not perpetual mudslinging.

 

Perhaps I am simply tired, but I don't understand your comment. 95% of the offensive stuff on here need not be said, which would leave a website with useful, constructive debate and conversation. Instead, someone has to lash out and retort instead of simply walking away. How long does an arguement last with only one person?

 

I never said I wanted anyone to be layed off but I would rather see it happen to you, the ones that undercut us, than one of my fellow pilots. Our people are on the streets with years more seniority and experience than most of your entire list. You bought us. You bought our seniority. Again, we will do what we have to with an arbitrator in order to get us a fair deal. If it requires numerous RAH people to down grade or be furlouged, so be it. No big deal to me. I don't owe you or your company anything but as long as they own my company, they own my contract. I expect them to fullfill that contract until the end. That includes you.

 

Another mature, thoughtful, post rat. Is this how the majority of Midwest pilots act? You rat are anything but professional. Grow up.

 

You didn't answer my question earlier about what in your contract is being broken by the 190s. You keep saying what you deserve and how you won't take anything less but what else are you going to do? No offense intended but serious question. You say you want to be at the top of the list but what options do you really have if that isn't the case? You say "no" then what? When you say that you won't accept anything less does that mean if something less than what your idea of fair is offered that you're going to walk away? I honestly don't see this 98% number of yours as something realistic. It might not hurt to lower your expectations a little bit and not expect to walk out of anything with the world in your pocket.

 

have any of you midwest guys seen how the usair/america west merger went? you do realize that the precedent is to put the furloughed people at the bottom of the list right? also do you realize what happend to shuttle america when they were merged with chautauqua (essintially the RAH list)? If I were a Midwest pilot I would take the first deal the IBT gives you because it wont be good once this goes to arbitration.

 

This is a Merger, not a hostile takeover. You owe at least 257 pilots an explanation why they should be junior to you when they have more years in than you have been alive.

 

because my company wasn’t flying around 120 seat airplanes with 100 seats in them trying to compete with every other carrier that flies into the metropolises of MKE and MCI while hoping that some fattening cookie would make their profit margins jump. Or maybe because I am trying to live my life and its more valuable than what ever problems you have right now.

not to be crude but just because your older and have been flying longer doesnt mean that the entire RAH pilot list should roll over and give you our jobs and seniority. We are all out here just trying to survive just like every other pilot out there. Now your group has been imunne to this type of thing for the most part but welcome to the world of every other legacy carrier. They have all lost flying to regionals/contract carriers in the past 15 years or so. I am not saying its right or that I agree with it but frankly its the way it is. I would love to have a job at any legacy but they arent even that good anymore. Everyone has the same crappy schedules, bullsh!t work rules, and don't get paid what they are worth. I think its time you midwest guys suck it up and realize that this whole industry sucks and complaining about it on an internet website is not going to help. If it would I can bet those 1500-2000 american pilots who havent worked this DECADE would have figured it out that complaining and argueing with fellow pilots would some how change managments minds and they would be graciously given their jobs back.