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Old 09-04-2009 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by meyers9163
Did I read that right? All the Midwest crews can be "Re-Hired" by RAH but only after interviewing for a job? Wow

Those who want to get into the industry get your application ready... RAH will be hiring!

I guess the thought of a few RAH guys I've spoken with about their union only pushing to secure the Midwest Pilots working during the time of the deal is true... Thus the other 300 plus are sitting on the street or below the rest of the RAH pilot group....
This is total BS. If any of this in true we all need to stand up and fight for the YX guys. Anything less than full integration of ALL YX pilots is unacceptable. Period.
Old 09-04-2009 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Vegaspilot
This is total BS. If any of this in true we all need to stand up and fight for the YX guys. Anything less than full integration of ALL YX pilots is unacceptable. Period.
Its going to happen. Those 300 pilots whom were furloughed will be stapled to the bottom of the list. Its how it happen at Usairways post merger and thus there is a situation with where it has happen in the past. Also as its been mentioned is the fact that people are forgetting that Midwest pilots have a contract that must be followed. At the end of it all, its just time RAH puts everything on one certificate and gets rid of this BS ulter ego crap. Or would that mean a loss of aircraft because American would drop you? Oh wait no no, you form CHQ and only have 50 seat aircraft on that..... ITs a mess.....

But there is a lot of hear say that 2010 all RAH pilots will be recalled and there's talks in the back ground of more aircraft (assume E190's) and expansion. One could only assume its under the Midwest/Frontier colors since i dont forsee any other legacy giving them more flying.
Old 09-04-2009 | 08:24 AM
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No where in the article does it say that. They will be going to training for the 190 as soon as the integration is complete. It is hard to figure where you could possibly read that they would need to interview.
"Midwest has about 1,000 Milwaukee-area positions but is laying off its union pilots and flight attendants while replacing their aircraft with Republic jets. Those Midwest flight crews could be rehired by Republic, but only after their unions and the unions representing Republic flight crews merge their job seniority lists."

So they have no guaranteed jobs but can get REHIRED at RAH? Last I checked being re-hired means you go to the bottom of a list and thus through a interview process..... But you are right, the writting of this paragraph is terrible because then it goes onto to say, "Flight crews merge their job seniority list." So are they all being cut before the list are merged? And thus you just staple them ALL to the bottom?
Old 09-04-2009 | 08:33 AM
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Midwest has about 1,000 Milwaukee-area positions but is laying off its union pilots and flight attendants while replacing their aircraft with Republic jets. Those Midwest flight crews could be rehired by Republic, but only after their unions and the unions representing Republic flight crews merge their job seniority lists.

Frontier has furloughed pilots also, does the same hold true for them?

Bedford made his remarks in a meeting with the Journal Sentinel's editorial board. He also repeated plans by Republic to add more Midwest flights from Milwaukee, including renewed service to West Coast destinations.

Some of those new flights will be on Airbus A319 and A320 jets from Frontier, Bedford said. Republic is scheduled to complete its purchase of Frontier on Oct. 1.


Would the criticism directed at the RAH guys not be the same for F9?

The Lynx pilots vote for UTU was successful.

UTU: News

The question remains, ALPA, FAPA, IBT, UTU, how is that intigrated?
Old 09-04-2009 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by meyers9163
"Midwest has about 1,000 Milwaukee-area positions but is laying off its union pilots and flight attendants while replacing their aircraft with Republic jets. Those Midwest flight crews could be rehired by Republic, but only after their unions and the unions representing Republic flight crews merge their job seniority lists."
That's the wrong word used by a newspaper reporter. We all know how accurate the press is...

They will be moved into whatever certificate/ position their seniority will hold after the integration. The biggest thing holding up the integratrion on our end (RAH) is our legal counsels insistence to integrate all four airlines (yes, four, Frontier, Midwest, Lynx, and Mokulele) and 1,300 pilots into our already 2,000 pilots all at the same time. We're still waiting on the acquisition of Frontier/ Lynx in finalize.
Old 09-04-2009 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by HawkerJet
?The Lynx pilots vote for UTU was successful.

UTU: News

The question remains, ALPA, FAPA, IBT, UTU, how is that intigrated?
Congrats. I know you guys were ignored by ALPA and the IBT when you guys were looking for representation last year.

As far as the second, who knows. There is no precedent for anything like this.
Old 09-04-2009 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Killer51883
You are right its not a code share. However that section is still being followed. No Midwest Pilot can fly on either the RW, CHQ, or S5 certificate untill there is a master seniority list. At the same time no current RAH pilot can fly on the Midwest certificate (not that there is expected to be any flying on that certificate). No one has stopped integration talks. Just because it hasnt happend overnight doest mean its not going on. And if you think that we are just going to ignore the fact that the 190's physically have 100 seats and let the company pay us the 77-99 seat pay rate then you have lost all common sense. The union is all ready talking to the company about this and there is a system set up for the airplane to be operated while the pay rate is negotiated with back pay for when the rate is setteled upon.

On a side note; this company is very different from most airlines. They are very tight lipped on any information. They have the union sign confidentiality statements and that contributes to the utter vaccum of information that comes from the crystal palace up there in IND.

More words. I didn't see the word certificate in your contract.
So, Republic can't code-share or outsource for your own company.

What are you guys doing taking all the Midwest flying and sending 130 more Midwest pilots into unemployment? Let me guess...

Giving your support

Write a LOA for the 130 Midwest pilots!

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Old 09-04-2009 | 09:22 AM
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Has anyone reminded the E-190 pilots flying out of MKE that they are in complete violation of the Midwest Pilots Contract? Or does that simply not matter. As long as the Republic crews are getting flying, screw the Midwest guys even more. MD80, I agree with you. DON'T TRUST THESE GUYS.
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Originally Posted by Killer51883
You are right its not a code share. However that section is still being followed. No Midwest Pilot can fly on either the RW, CHQ, or S5 certificate untill there is a master seniority list. At the same time no current RAH pilot can fly on the Midwest certificate (not that there is expected to be any flying on that certificate). No one has stopped integration talks. Just because it hasnt happend overnight doest mean its not going on. And if you think that we are just going to ignore the fact that the 190's physically have 100 seats and let the company pay us the 77-99 seat pay rate then you have lost all common sense. The union is all ready talking to the company about this and there is a system set up for the airplane to be operated while the pay rate is negotiated with back pay for when the rate is setteled upon.

On a side note; this company is very different from most airlines. They are very tight lipped on any information. They have the union sign confidentiality statements and that contributes to the utter vaccum of information that comes from the crystal palace up there in IND.


You guys are lucky the Midwest pilots didn't use that same line for the Midwest E170 flying. But TPG/BB wouldn't agree to that because they wanted to use Republic pilots to undermine our contract.

I mean... why would BB want to provide retirement funding, trip guarantees, and industry average pay rates. He has you guys.

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Old 09-04-2009 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by WeaselBoy

They will be moved into whatever certificate/ position their seniority will hold after the integration. The biggest thing holding up the integratrion on our end (RAH) is our legal counsels insistence to integrate all four airlines (yes, four, Frontier, Midwest, Lynx, and Mokulele) and 1,300 pilots into our already 2,000 pilots all at the same time. We're still waiting on the acquisition of Frontier/ Lynx in finalize.
Since you seem to know more then other guys at RAH and seem to be educated on the real issues let me ask a few questions.... What's the current thought on the integration since all of the airlines you mentioned have furloughs except Mokulele? Will all the furloughed pilots be stapled on the bottom of the list including the furloughed pilots of Midwest/Frontier or is there a push to give them a good spot on the over all list? I realize its not fair for someone who is currently on property to be put to the street, but when an opening does happen are they just going to fill that position based on the system seniority or will they displace/furlough guys once the list is completed? And lastly are they still hinting at a fense structure due to the Frontier pilot group or would the Midwest pilots be included in that group of pilots due to their previous aircraft? Seems like a lot of areas that are uncertain especially since it appears you are about to double in size. And if you cannot answer some of those questions I do understand. I just want to get a bettere gut feeling about those pilots at Midwest but I just have an awful feeling about it. But perhaps the RAH group will shock me and do something to get them where they belong instead of on the bottom of a regional list....

And lastly I keep hearing this word of GROWTH? How much more can RAH grow? Are they wanting to push the Midwest/Frontier flying into a larger product and take the regional aircraft and feed them or what's the thought there? I just dont see any legacy airline giving them more flying due to there being ZERO flying to be given to anyone with the cuts being back to min contracts on nearly every regional feed.... So it leaves me thinking the growth would be under Midwest/Frontier with more E190's and Airbus?
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