Frontier will be a follow on to Midwest. The jobs that were so called "saved" will slowly go away with more pilots and flight attendants on the street while sub-pat wages take over. The IBT will give one line to the Frontier pilots about how they would be glad for them to join the RAH group and then roll over and act like they should be so lucky to still have a job. I was part of RAH and if even a portion of the same mentalilty of the pilot group exsists today as it did when I was there; I would say don't trust RAH as a whole. There are pilots that believe in doing what is right, but they are few and far between these days. A flight instructor believes they are entitled to more because they "flight instructed" for two years and were hired by the "dominent carrier" in a merger. They are willing to throw any gains in their carrier for the long shot at a quck upgrade. RAH has been selling the pipe dream on a quick upgrade and then you'll move on for years...unfortunately they keep getting people to buy off on it and now it is affecting the whole industry and lining the pockets of management.

 

The pilots at Midwest will not allow our furloughed pilots who lost their jobs to the 170s of Republic to be stapled on the bottom of any list especially when their over all seniority number is higher than %98 of all the combined airlines in this merger. It isn't going to happen.

 

If you're(YX pilots) angry that integration isn't going as fast as possible, look to your new management and your future brothers at F9. The RAH integration committee can't proceed until they get fleet plan info from the company, and F9 agreeing to come to the table. They won't get deep into the integration process until they know what the future company will look like, and until they get all parties in one room. To do so otherwise would be a waste of time.

 

Can anyone blame Frontier pilots for not trusting BB or IBT747 ?

Both of you guys have a history to live down. You can earn respect with actions and only then will you be trusted.

 

"You guys"

Which is it? BB and IBT? OR BB, IBT RAH Pilots? I expect by "you guys" you mean to lump us in with management and IBT.

 

I have a question for Midwest Pilots, in the last 8 or so years as Midwest started to decline, did the pilot group give concessions to the company?

 

For a nano-second -- Let's pretend that BB is going to pay pilots 25% more than he does today. Do you really think that the Midwest 5 year FO is going to sign on with RAH to move down from his current $71 per hour to the $46 per hour an RAH 5 year FO would be making (and that is at the a 25% increase- current rate is $37 per hour). Additionally, he would likely have another five years as an FO. This is due to the fact that an upgrade at RAH will likely now be 10 years or more when all the lists are merged.

There is going to be so much fall out from the merged lists, that by the time the dust settles, American and Delta will be hiring again before anyone gets an upgrade at RAH. The key to any positive coming from any of this is for the pilot's unions to be as fair as possible to all sides. No matter what happens -- the guys at the tale end of every list are going to get screwed -- F9, Midwest, and RAH -- period. It would truly be best for all concerned for all of the keyboard commandos out there to support their union and quit bashing each other. In the end, when pilots quit bashing each other, management will have far lesser advantage. Example - if EVERY pilot out there supported an national 121 seniority list by aircraft type, do you think all of this bashing would be going on?

If you work for RAH, Midwest, Frontier, Mesa, Comair, or any other Regional (or yes "Nationals" for the bottom feeding keyboard commando's) raise the bar and support the goal of overall pilot professionalism and quit the jealous inter-company bashing. I don't know of a single pilot right now that has the option to say "I quit" because he happened to end up working for a company where he does not approve of his management's actions. Until those day return, quit bashing other pilot groups, grow up and work together. For Pete's sake -- put your big boy pants on.

 

Hot topic... the only thread still open.

 

Hi!

MWA pilots and, I believe, ALL their employees took MASSIVE paycuts and concessions.

cliff
NBO

 

Any truth in the rumor that F9 are going to paint a Gift Horse on the tail of their next airplane as a reminder of turning down the Southwest offer