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Old 09-13-2009 | 12:32 PM
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The other statement that gripes me is "once we get the older, experienced guys from Midwest and Frontier, then we will be able to use their talents to negotiate a better contract". Just remember that as you negotiate to integrate them into your list.
Let me interpret for you what you mean: You feel the YX and F9 guys should be above all RAH pilots and we should be stapled underneath all the YX and F9 guys.
Old 09-13-2009 | 01:03 PM
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Let me interpret for you what you mean: You feel the YX and F9 guys should be above all RAH pilots and we should be stapled underneath all the YX and F9 guys.

OK, let me bait you-

What do you, personally, feel would be a fair integration?
Old 09-13-2009 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TillerEnvy
Not to rehash the past, but you were never going to touch the 170's. Your management along with ours lied to you. It is in our contract that planes owned by RAH can and only will be flown by RAH pilots on the seniority list. It is airtight and our scope protected us in that rounds.

Nothing is air tight. What your management wanted to do is set up a holding company and sell the aircraft from RAH to a holding company owned by, guess who, your boss, and lease them to Midwest. Your contract only prohibits your aircraft from being flown by somebody else when in use. Lucky for you , Midwest pilots would not play with your management. The only reason Rah is flying the 170/190 is you are cheaper. Not because he likes you, and not your contract, wake up guys. Wait and see what's in store for the F9 guys.
Old 09-13-2009 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bear392
You also missed the first sentence. The operations of the Company and those of the other air carrier shall be kept separate. Do you consider replacing the 717 with a 170 and a 190 with RAH aircraft and pilots separate.
717s and Midwest pilots are on the Midwest cert. EMB-190s/175/170s are on the Republic certificate. Neither equipment nor pilots are exchanging certs. and as the contract stands nothing is being violated.

Do you not want that sentence to protect you also someday.
It did when Midwest/RAH management tried to sublease the 170s and have Midwest crews fly them.


What happens when your management decides to try to keep LYNX separate for a long period of time and replace you for half the cost with the 190.
Lynx will be integrated just like everyone else. That's why there are scope clauses in our contract. There are no ways around it.
Old 09-13-2009 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bear392
Nothing is air tight. What your management wanted to do is set up a holding company and sell the aircraft from RAH to a holding company owned by, guess who, your boss, and lease them to Midwest. Your contract only prohibits your aircraft from being flown by somebody else when in use. Lucky for you , Midwest pilots would not play with your management. The only reason Rah is flying the 170/190 is you are cheaper. Not because he likes you, and not your contract, wake up guys. Wait and see what's in store for the F9 guys.
That is false. The contract prohibits RAH management wanting to set up a holding company and sell the aircraft from RAH to a holding owned by them, our boss, and lease them to Midwest. It specifically mentions that.
Old 09-13-2009 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
717s and Midwest pilots are on the Midwest cert. EMB-190s/175/170s are on the Republic certificate. Neither equipment nor pilots are exchanging certs. and as the contract stands nothing is being violated.

It did when Midwest/RAH management tried to sublease the 170s and have Midwest crews fly them.



Lynx will be integrated just like everyone else. That's why there are scope clauses in our contract. There are no ways around it.
If you really believe that your scope clause protects your job then you are naive. Trust me the ATA has full time lawyers who have every contract riddled with holes for their future plans. The race to the bottom will continue until there is some type of legislation from Washington or the unions grow a pair. The Rev. already knows exactly how he is going to replace you.

Again I guess you know better then a group of labor attorney's that the separation clause in your contract isn't being violated. If you are so sure file a grievance and lets find out. We all know you won't because that would hinder your career progression.
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Again I guess you know better then a group of labor attorney's that the separation clause in your contract isn't being violated.
You don't think the IBT has lawyers? Equipment nor pilots have changed certs. It's pretty simple.
Old 09-13-2009 | 07:39 PM
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I personally hope that all the YX guys that join Republic use as much energy they are using to vent here to inject real "cojones" into the IBT ( or whatever we end up with ) so a decent contract and humane quality of life is achieved.

Hope you guys end up flying Airbuses ( that is the correct plural for Airbus ) with the YX colors on it, without taking F9 jobs, and get your career back... Perhaps YX and F9 can see some growth and we low-lifers can see a better contract as an end result... One can only hope...
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
You don't think the IBT has lawyers? Equipment nor pilots have changed certs. It's pretty simple.
Of course they do but it's in their best interest to not do anything. It will bite you down the road though.
Old 09-13-2009 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by likeitis
Of course they do but it's in their best interest to not do anything. It will bite you down the road though.
That might be how you feel it is but looking at the big picture there's no reason to think the they have anything to gain by keeping seniority list separate setting the stage for whipsaw. It's in everyone's best interest that things be well examined and handled with care where all precautions are taken. Rushing into things only leaves room for more mistakes. This deal needs to be done right, not right now. I understand the situation those at Midwest are in but the last thing I'd want my union to do is rush in without getting their ducks in a row.
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