RAH Corporate Information to Carriers
09-10-2009 | 02:45 PM
#111
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Really don't want to get involved in the petty bickering, but this statement is innaccurate. All airlines owned by RAH are going to be integrated. The hold up is the closing of the Frontier deal. Once that deal is in the books, we'll all be one big "happy" family.
09-10-2009 | 02:45 PM
#112
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You kinda make it people's business when you make wild public accusations. All the "SCUM" comments made how your contract is being willingly violated but then you won't show what parts. How can anyone be willingly violating it if they are never shown? It's a serious question. I don't think any union would want to violate the contract established by another union.
The IBT knows all about our contract and they know good and well they are in violation of it. That's all you need to know and all you are going to get from me.
09-10-2009 | 02:48 PM
#113
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Problem is getting it in the head of the pilots of Frontier to get ready for the "Screw Job" they have coming. The ones I have talked to remind of Delta pilots. Living in a world of their own without a care that is soon going to come crashing down thanks to the greed of Republic.
09-10-2009 | 03:24 PM
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Problem is getting it in the head of the pilots of Frontier to get ready for the "Screw Job" they have coming. The ones I have talked to remind of Delta pilots. Living in a world of their own without a care that is soon going to come crashing down thanks to the greed of Republic.
You may hate RAH, and thats fine. In the case of F9, an integration is the only way to go.
09-10-2009 | 04:39 PM
#115
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So you're saying that because he works at a regional "He's not concerned about pay scales, work rules, benefits, retirement planning or the future of our profession". Your words.
Ergo you're saying that you weren't concerned about pay scales, work rules, benefits, retirement planing or the future of your profession.
Either A)You have to admit that you're making wild and unfounded accusations about people while speaking on their behalf without their consent. Or B)You're ever bit as guilty as anyone else and thus a hypocrite.
You have no idea what the guy wants or his future plans are. He could have the same aspirations that you did when you were at a regional. You're very quick to speak on behalf of a lot of people. Why make things up? People here keep telling everyone what others are thinking and in general they seem to always be wrong.
Either A)You have to admit that you're making wild and unfounded accusations about people while speaking on their behalf without their consent. Or B)You're ever bit as guilty as anyone else and thus a hypocrite.
You have no idea what the guy wants or his future plans are. He could have the same aspirations that you did when you were at a regional. You're very quick to speak on behalf of a lot of people. Why make things up? People here keep telling everyone what others are thinking and in general they seem to always be wrong.
09-10-2009 | 05:47 PM
#116
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Guilty
B)You're ever bit as guilty as anyone else and thus a hypocrite.
I flew for Mesa, I admit my main goal was to build flight time and upgrade. If that makes me a hypocrite then change my name from "Curly" to "hypo". The only difference is I'm older and wiser.
1. I can see that TPG and BB used Republic pilots to undermine the Midwest contract negotiations.
2. That TPG, Delta and BB are going to try to use Republic pilots to undermine our profession with cheap labor.
I'm a Republic pilot now and will fight for industry average wages, benefits, work rules and retirement funding.
B)You're ever bit as guilty as anyone else and thus a hypocrite.
I flew for Mesa, I admit my main goal was to build flight time and upgrade. If that makes me a hypocrite then change my name from "Curly" to "hypo". The only difference is I'm older and wiser.
1. I can see that TPG and BB used Republic pilots to undermine the Midwest contract negotiations.
2. That TPG, Delta and BB are going to try to use Republic pilots to undermine our profession with cheap labor.
I'm a Republic pilot now and will fight for industry average wages, benefits, work rules and retirement funding.
09-10-2009 | 06:07 PM
#117
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I think you'll find we all have more in common than previously thought. I have no doubt you've gained experience through the years and hope that everyone is integrated sooner rather than later so that experience can be voiced by means of a vote on the next contract. Don't get me wrong I want to upgrade as soon as possible but I don't want that to happen because of a newly negotiated subpar contract. I'd appreciate the leverage gained by the addition of the Midwest crews.
09-10-2009 | 06:39 PM
#118
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Who cares what the hold up is? The hold up is IBT wants to do it together. They know that that would take the longest and most advantageous to them. The IBT could integrate in order of date of merger but they are choosing not to. They just may be forced to by the arbitrator thanks to ALPA filing for arbitration.
09-10-2009 | 07:15 PM
#119
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What was inaccurate? So are you saying that the integration will be complete prior to the grievance? Our contract has to be followed until the integration is complete. If ALPA wins the grievance most likely 1 of 3 options will happen. Either Republic will be forced to put Midwest pilots back into planes flying mainline Midwest routes or damages will be paid or the best would be both.
Who cares what the hold up is? The hold up is IBT wants to do it together. They know that that would take the longest and most advantageous to them. The IBT could integrate in order of date of merger but they are choosing not to. They just may be forced to by the arbitrator thanks to ALPA filing for arbitration.
Who cares what the hold up is? The hold up is IBT wants to do it together. They know that that would take the longest and most advantageous to them. The IBT could integrate in order of date of merger but they are choosing not to. They just may be forced to by the arbitrator thanks to ALPA filing for arbitration.
I was simply stating the RAH contract was not being violated in regards to integration. I have no idea what language you have in your contract when it comes to the current situation.
09-10-2009 | 07:35 PM
#120
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I never said they were violating in terms of integration. IBT may not negotiating in good faith but the company isn't doing anything wrong in those terms. I said they were violating it in terms that they are required to keep the airlines separate until the integration is complete and obviously BB isn't doing that.
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