What stands out in your post and what seems to be the gist of most RAH pilots feelings is " It's not right, I don't agree with it, but that's the way it is" and what you might as well add is "I'm not going to do anything about it and neither is my Union".

 

It's not the RAH pilots who feel this way. It is almost every pilot group. Anytime a pilot group has stood up together and achieved progress, another smaller leaner group has cut their legs out from under them. (Comair, ExpressJet come to mind as examples) This current situation isn't the RAH pilot groups fault. They sure do play a nice scapegoat though. And while I think a few of their pilots are pricks, I think the majority of them feel powerless to stop what has happened. Toothpaste usually doesn't go back in the tube, can't stop the toilet from flushing, can't get the pee out of the pool... etc you get the point.

RAH's union sucks. So does every other union that represents airlines. Last we forget, pilots hate ALPA too. Yes the unions have made mistakes, but to be honest the political and social environment over the last 25 years has not been good for unions to make inroads and progress. We are seeing the effects of deregulation greater than ever before. Reduction in safety, (Colgan, SWA) and reduction in quality of pilot lifestyles.

Deregulation has worked and we are all competing for a smaller pieces of pie. Pilots need to realize that we are all hedged against each other and that is the way people who run airlines like it. The current seniority system we have, it doesn't work. Eventually someone in this country will figure it out, most of the foreign carriers already have. In the mean time, we will continue chest beating and attacking those who are only the pawns of their management. This year it is RAH. Soon enough it will be somebody else. Fire Away!

 

[quote=Killer51883;674821]because my company wasn’t flying around 120 seat airplanes with 100 seats in them trying to compete with every other carrier that flies into the metropolises of MKE and MCI while hoping that some fattening cookie would make their profit margins jump. Or maybe because I am trying to live my life and its more valuable than what ever problems you have right now.

Not a lot of respect for a company that your CEO hopes will help allow RAH to remain profitable in these tough times and by extension keep you employed flying Hugh Jass around the country. Midwest didn't corner over 50% of the MKE market by providing crappy service.

Too many (YX folks included)on this board are way over the top when it comes to this discussion and people need to tone it down 20 notches.

A lot of damage has been done to marginalize YX over the past 18 mos. and it will take a minor miracle to rebuild, especially in the face of competition with WN and AirTran.

If RAH starts losing feed contracts it will be imperative for the "combination of Midwest and Frontier" to be a complete success in order to survive.

Keep it civil.

 

To use your argument what of this did the midwest pilots control? You say that you shouldn't be treated as the enablers you are because your management did it and not you. So if you shouldn't pay the price for what your management has done neither should the midwest guys right? So then to be fair I guess ALPA won't bring up that you took the midwest jobs and the teamsters won't bring up the condition of the company and seniority list.

Am west/us air is not even comparable. This merger and it is a merger is between 2 companies in different position in a normal pilots career progression. It just happens to be that the company at the lower position in career progression is taken over two other airlines who are at a higher position in career progression. Secondly Am west/us air was a merger to increase economies of scale. Both had marketing, sales, ticketing, etc. Republic needed frontier and midwest to provide these things. As this continues it will become more and more clear just how much midwest and frontier are bringing to the table. For instance a real training department. Not the joke you have now.

 

Doesn't seem like we are solving anything here. But I have a question for everyone...

The FAA is considering the requirement that all airline pilots have a ATP rating and 1500 hrs. Not that its going to happen... but would it solve the problems in airline mergers/bankruptcy if the FAA required a minimum flight experience.

example:

Aircraft seats..................PIC required Total Time

51......................................5,000
101...................................10,000
151+ ................................15,000


It would be a Class of ATP license (A,B,C) and it would allow a experienced pilot to get rehired as a Captain. Any airline that was expanding quickly would want to hire laid-off pilots with flight time.

 

So you are saying that you want the majority of Military men and women coming in to go straight to a 50 seat RJ? Real smart chief I'm sure they would love that.

 

Being a captain is an honor and a privilege. Not everyone should become a captain. I know quite a few captain's who would make much better first mates. This idea of captain entitlement based on seniority is crap. The high seas don't work this way and neither should aviation.

 

I drove a hotel van and the fighter guys were never happy coming back from a interview SIM evaluation.

Were their instrument skills the best .... No
Were they experienced in TRW and Icing .... No
Were they knowledgable in 121 ops.... No

Why should a fighter pilot with fewer hours be hired over a 5000 hour regional captain with a equal education?

The military (good old boy) network at the majors.

 

What about the heavy guys? They don't accrue ungodly hours, either...

 

How many of your posts aren't about how much you feel you're entitled to?